Drug and Alcohol Self Medication - What we all do but not a good thing for long term

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Post by Rags on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 10:56

For most of you out there with pain and issues you self medicate....I'm sure even if you wont admit it to yourself. It is what you have done or are doing. This is the place for those that want to get some advise or guidance can let out your concerns.

As a start note. You may have found a perfect tool in the short term to keep you alive, but at some point you have to find a way to properly control it so you stay alive in the long term.

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Post by Guest on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 13:43

Tylenol is a pain medication relied on daily in high dosages however it affects the liver long term.

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Post by Guest on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 13:56

ya i take a lot of t-3s but not sure if i have much of a liver left though lol.

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Post by Guest on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 13:58

propat, if you could alternate between tylenol and advil it would give your liver a break and at least that is what the doc told us.

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Post by Sapper Zodiak on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 14:38

I was on Fentanyl patches and massive amounts of different Opiates. I attended a Pain Clinic in Thunder Bay in 1999 and found other ways to cope with pain. A lot of breathing and finding your happy place(imagery). I am now on a great medication called Tramadol. It is a synthetic narcotic topped off with acetominophen. Too bad VAC will not cover this drug. It doesn't make you feel "sick" (high), and doesn't have dependant tendencies. This drug is part of the reason I was reinstated for sisip I think, as I claimed the $100 per month to them on my drug plan through the years, keeping the lines of communication open. I highly recommend this drug. I also use Celebrex with this and 2 types of anti depressants used for chronic pain control.
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Post by Guest on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 15:01

bug out a good idea and may start im alternating now as i continually take arthrotec and switch between t-3 and tylonal arthitus.now i dont know if things changed over the years but when i first asked about alternating the only thing covered by dva at the time was tylonal arthritis.maybe they cover advil now i will check.

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Post by Guest on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 15:04

thanks bugout i never would have thought about this again if you hadent mentioned it.

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Post by Guest on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 15:11

bad day today boys lots of t-3s and gotta get more wood in its cold these days thank god its saterdy i can switch to booze soon lol.

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Post by AntiHero on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 16:01

Advil has been linked along with all Anti inflammatory drugs to increased risk of a cardiac event. For pain the only relief is marihuana which time and time again is the most safe of pain relief. It might not be politically correct but it's the best

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Post by Rags on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 16:07

DVA does cover it from what I heard on documentory other day.

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Post by Guest on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 16:38

Also I tried Robaxacet Platinum but the doctor said it was not as effective as Tylenol and/or Advil. Has a muscle relaxant and a small amount of pain medication in the product.

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Post by BoltAction308 on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 18:45

I'm on OxyContin 80mg 3 times a day. Actually it's now called OxyNeo so as not to make it easier to abuse even though I never abused it and always took it the way it was intended.....orally.

Anyhow, when they switched from OxyContin to OxyNeo, I could tell there was (and remains) a huge difference in pain control. Unlike the OxyContin, the Neo doesn't give that "kicking in feeling" which admittedly I liked probably a little too much now that I don't get it from the Neo.

I don't drink alcohol and haven't for decades simply because whether I have 2 beer or a dozen beer I get a migraine the following day so that was an easy decision to make.

As for weed and hash etc, I dabbled in that back before I joined the CF and haven't touched an "illegal" drug since that time. I know a few chronic pain patients and others with PTSD who swear that smoking weed/hash relaxes them but because I was a "stoner" back in the day, I wouldn't be able to differentiate between getting high and therapeutic use.

All that being said, and getting back to the oxy, I know for a fact that I'm addicted to the shit! I can feel the withdrawals within half an hour if I don't take my next pill. Sweats, skin crawling, yawns, cramps, etc. I mentioned it to my doctor and he said my body doesn't know the difference between a junkie and a legit user and the symptoms are indeed withdrawals.

So yeah, be careful folks when taking narcotic painkillers because its a vicious cycle. Even if I wanted to get off them I'm screwed seeing how my body has been used to them since 1999 and no way would I be able to get off them without going mental.

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Post by bigrex on Sat 26 Jan 2013, 20:26

I am taking Dilaudid 18 mg twice a day and 4mg for breakthrough pain. I mentioned my concerns about addiction to my pain specialist and he said that I am dependent on the pain meds, much like a diabetic is dependent on Insulin. Just because we need these narcotics to get through the day does not mean it is an addiction. We aren't over using them. We aren't out buying street drugs to get the feeling of getting high. We are using these drugs to allow are bodies to push through the pain that we endure. the same goes for those of use using prescribed marijuana. In fact, if you are uncomfortable with smoking the weed, it now comes in a pill format, or even an oral spray (which my Dr would be a better fit for me).
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Post by BoltAction308 on Sun 27 Jan 2013, 08:54

I hear what you're saying Bigrex, and much like yourself, my doctor at the time when I first started on Oxycontin, I was told the same thing. I was led to believe if a patient takes narcotic painkillers for legitimate pain and takes them as directed and prescribed, they cannot become addicted. I'm definitely dependent on them at this point that's for sure!
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Post by BoltAction308 on Sun 27 Jan 2013, 09:03

Speaking of Oxycontin vs OxyNeo, is anyone else on Oxy? If so, if you're on the Neo, have you noticed that they take hours before they "kick in?"

For example, when I get up I take my med and when it was Oxycontin, i could feel my back and hip loosen up after about half an hour. with the Neo, I still fight tight for a good 2 hours before it only slightly loosens up. I mentioned this to my doctor and asked him if I could go back on the generic Oxycontin and he flatly refused. I mentioned how I've already proven to him I don't abuse them and how I don't sell them and never once have i ever came in earlier for a refill, therefore I'm not one of those pill heads that abuse them. It did no good at all and he wouldn't re-write my script for the generic Oxycontin which really sucks for me because the old formulation worked amazingly well for me as compared to this new garbage.

Just last month I had to get a script refilled but my usual doctor was on holidays. His replacement wrote me a script for the generic Oxycontin. As much as I wanted the old formulation or the generic Oxycontin I figured my doctor once he returned would've freaked on me (and rightly so) when he found out. So with that, I told the replacement doctor that my regular doc didn't want me having the new formulation and I had her re-write the script for the garbage Neo.

Now all that being said, I've noticed that if I take 2 percocet at the same time as one Neo, it works perfectly! Now I need to figure out a way to get my doctor to write me anew script to go from 3 times a day to 2 times a day with Percocet for break-through pain which I doubt he'll agree with.

It sucks because many of us are legitimate chronic pain patients but the abuse from street users screws it up for those of us who legitimately benefit from these pills. It's a no win situation sadly.

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