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Re: Be Heroic, Minister Fantino

Post by Guest on Fri 22 Aug 2014, 07:22

I wish that had a like and a pissed off button but for now awesome piece and for those of us that are victims of these lies and lack of dedicated support I hope that somehow Fantino and his staff get what they deserve and we gain some dignity in that.

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Re: Be Heroic, Minister Fantino

Post by RCN-Retired on Fri 09 May 2014, 00:53

Thanks Teen and all who provide and/or make available the information and guidance on this forum. It certainly does help somewhat in getting through a day. As for this government, let's hope that those who follow do not just say the right words to be elected and once at the table only care for themselves..we do not need anymore self serving politicians.
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Re: Be Heroic, Minister Fantino

Post by pinger on Thu 08 May 2014, 21:16

Tx teen and chief for writing and posting the above. That fantino's office didn't respond does not surprise me at all.
Why would they? They are in damage control, and any response of more rhetoric or words would only justify your letter. pinger.

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Re: Be Heroic, Minister Fantino

Post by Guest on Thu 08 May 2014, 18:46

Thanks Teen and my points about you still stand!  Very Happy 

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Re: Be Heroic, Minister Fantino

Post by Guest on Thu 08 May 2014, 13:02

Bravo!

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Re: Be Heroic, Minister Fantino

Post by Teentitan on Thu 08 May 2014, 11:20

Thanks for the compliment Digger but I did not write this fantastic article.  Veteran Voice's Chief Editor did. I posted this piece on the main bulletinboard, Latest News, and just copied and pasted. I forgot to put his title on it here on the CSAT. But hey got it in the right thread. LOL

Our Chief Editor (VViCE) is our researcher, analyst and as you see a fantastic writer.  So the compliments go to him.
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Re: Be Heroic, Minister Fantino

Post by Guest on Thu 08 May 2014, 08:29

digger thanks and agreed love the work he is doing and deserves a lot more thanks than can possibly be expressed.

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Post by Guest on Thu 08 May 2014, 08:21

Thank you Teen for your dedication to all matters pertaining to Csat and Veterans. We don't say it enough on Csat but what you do makes a difference in our quality of life on a daily basis and this letter is an example of your commitment and care. If it were not for the integrity of Csat and Veterans such as yourself, I for one would not participate in this forum nor would it be a integral part of my life which provides counsel and support. Thank you Teen. Propat you have taught me to ALWAYS QUESTION AUTHORITY  Very Happy 

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Re: Be Heroic, Minister Fantino

Post by Guest on Thu 08 May 2014, 08:08

this piece was well written and well researched thank you for that.

if Fantino wanted to be a leader he would have his party make one change END THE BUYOUT!!!!!!

he could say you pointed out all these problems and recommended all of these changes but we decided to make only one change that solves most of the problems with the NVC. he could also say it would also bring equality to all vets.

he would then own the issue .

the spin he could put on that one single move would be incredible.

he could chalk up most of the recommendations of the advocate groups and other political parties as either dysfunction , incompetence , greed , political games ore all of the above as HIS PARTIES ONE CHANGE solved most of the NVC issues instead of a multitude of changes that may address some of the problems but would NEVER BRING EQUALITY!!!

but alas he will just do what he is told by a party who's main concern is money and seem to have no fear of the election to come.

not well written as always but just some thoughts from this ghost in the machine .

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Be Heroic, Minister Fantino

Post by Teentitan on Wed 07 May 2014, 10:52

From our Chief Editor, VViCE

Publisher's Note:  A copy of this article was submitted to The Minister of Veterans Affairs in late March.  Thus the minister had many weeks to rebut or correct the information below.  He chose not to communicate with Veteran Voice.

As the federal government prepares to commemorate the longest war in Canadian history on 9 May (Afghanistan 2001-2012), it is worth considering yet again what could be done to honour the sacrifices of those who served.  Unfortunately, the government seems content with empty remembrance ceremonies amidst the mounting problems experienced by Canadian Veterans.  There have been almost as many suicides as fatalities (158) as a result of this undeclared conflict, which has not yet been resolved, according to DND reports (and probably many other suicides not directly attributed to the conflict among CF Veterans).  Thousands more were wounded physically and psychologically.  There will be yet another support programme announced by DND to provide additional services for serving Veterans.
That department has had mixed success dealing with systemic health issues as well as the more recently publicised sexual abuse and social harassment problems.  These problems are just the tip of a much larger iceberg-sized problem, which afflicts the Veterans Community.  The federal government continues to put Canadian military and other personnel in harms way, but fails to provide support when those people (and their families) return home damaged or worse.  Earlier this year, Julian Fantino stated that the federal government will honour its social contract with its Veterans, and that a comprehensive review of the NVC is an important indication of this intent.
Unfortunately, the devil is in the details upon closer examination.
Veteran Voice like many members of the Veterans Community is very frustrated with the lack of federal commitment to the social covenant between Canada and its Veterans.  Veterans Affairs Canada (VAC) has created and then dismissed various advisory groups and ignored the advice from these groups.  The overall consensus of the Veterans Community is that the federal government is failing to honour its social covenant or contract with Veterans.  While Veterans are expected to serve with unlimited liability, which means sacrificing life and limb for Canada, Canada does not provide a comparable service in return.  This is contrary to other government relationships defined as fiduciary duties, honour of the crown, sacred obligation and legal contracts.
Julian Fantino, has asked for time to review the New Veterans Charter (NVC), and has stated that the Government is doing a comprehensive parliamentary review.  Why can he not be different from his Conservative predecessors and be a hero to the Veterans Community by being an exemplary leader?
Another review is not required in the opinion of many Veterans.  The NVC has been studied repeatedly since its inauguration in 2006.  Every new MVA has stated that there will be a review, the various committees have studied the NVC and so has the Veterans Community.  It has been studied to death.  However, there have been few decisions made about the NVC or for that matter the relationship between the federal government and its commitments to the Veterans Community.  There have been four MVA (Thompson, Blackburn, Blaney and Fantino) appointed by Prime Minister Harper since 2006.  None have fulfilled the commitments which form the basis of the Conservative Party policy (see below).
There is always a lot of publicity from the federal government as it prepares to celebrate Veterans Week and Remembrance Day.  Just like the ceremony planned for this week. The sad aspect of this brief period of recognition is that once it ends, the federal government will turn its attention to other matters without actually doing much for the Veterans Community.  
This could be a golden opportunity for Julian Fantino to demonstrate that he is a national leader and supporter of the Veterans Community by making some important decisions.  He could be a hero worth remembering along with all the others who are remembered in November every year.  
Julian Fantino could earn the respect of the Veterans Community much like the 13th MVA, the Honourable George Hees, who served as minister under Prime Minister Mulroney (17 Sep 1984 – 14 Sep 1988).
“Veteran? In the Parliamentary Guide, he only gave himself half a line describing his military career. It reads: "Served overseas as Brigade Major, 5th Infantry Brigade." However, soldiers who served with him will tell you he was wounded in action, and how, still in uniform, he ran against General McNaughton on the conscription issue and won. They would also tell you that George Hees was the best ever minister because of the civility he brought to the veterans' ministry.”
Senator John Lynch-Staunton 13 June 1996
George Hees is remembered and was honoured with a wing of the Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre in Toronto.  As MVA, he did not wait for others to act.  He was a leader.
Julian Fantino has also been a leader during his law enforcement career.  Now he is a politician, but he can still be a leader like George Hees.
The Veterans Community needs leaders more than politicians.  General George Patton provide a good quote about the importance of leadership:
“We herd sheep, we drive cattle, we lead people. Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way.”
Leadership is about change, often disruptive change, and change demands decision-making. Leadership lies, therefore, in the willingness to step forward and make a decision, and in taking responsibility for the consequences of those decisions.
Police officers are trained to make decisions and must deal with the consequences of their decisions.  Politicians by contrast are not always decision makers or leaders, despite being involved in both leadership and decision making activities.  Too many politicians aspire to be leaders, but are often reluctant to make decisions except to support the decisions of others.  For example, legislation like the NVC is drafted by unelected bureaucrats of VAC and related agencies.  The draft is supposed to be reviewed by parliamentary committees before it is approved by Parliament.  This was not the case for the NVC.  
The defunct Veterans Stakeholder group sent a letter to Stephen Blaney in early 2012 recommending its priorities for changes to the NVC and recommendations that the MVA could implement.  Mr Blaney ignored the advice and VAC cancelled future meetings of the stakeholders committee.  VAC has a nasty habit of disbanding any advisory group, which dares to offer advice that is contrary to its future plans.  
Brian Forbes, the chairman of The National Council of Veteran Associations (NCVA), wrote:
“the Government declared that this legislation was a "Living Charter" and made a formal commitment to the veterans' community that, as gaps and inequities were identified, immediate remedial action would be taken to address these deficiencies.”
There have been hundreds of recommendations forwarded to the government to address the deficiencies, but very little remedial action.  
The Veterans Consultation Group (VCG) sent a letter to the former MVA, Stephen Blaney, with a list of the three recommendations in April 2012:
1. The Earning Loss Benefit (ELB) must be improved to provide 100% of pre-release income, continue for life and include increases for projected career earnings for a Canadian Armed Forces member;  
2. The maximum disability award must be increased consistent with what is provided to injured civilian workers who received general damages in law court; and
3. The current inequity with regards to ELB for Class A and Class B (less than 180 days) Reservists for service attributable injuries must cease.  
The VCG wanted rapid resolution by the government of these priorities and that VAC undertake a process of Health Care reform/review within the next year to ensure that programs and services meet the needs of all Veterans and their families.  
Gordon Moore, President of the Royal Canadian Legion, wrote:
“For more than five years now, the Legion has been presenting before government committees and bringing forward to government resolutions from its Dominion Conventions for improvements to the NVC. We are at that point where action is needed and needed now! The proper "vehicle for addressing the very real concerns of Veterans" is an action plan using the recommendations the government has in its own hands. No more delays; we must move now to improve the lives of our Veterans and the Legion stands ready to do its part.”
The VCG also supported the outstanding recommendations regarding the New Veterans Charter from the New Veterans Charter Advisory Group, Special Needs Advisory Group, the Report of the Gerontological Advisory Council “Keeping the Promise” and the June 2010 Report of the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs and that they form the basis for future improvements to programs and services for Canada’s Veterans and their families.  These reports should not be shelved or forgotten.  
The Veterans Community is very united in its support for the many recommendations mentioned above.  The two national groups, the VCG and the Veterans Organizations Forum (VOF) – which succeeded the stakeholders group mentioned above, support the same things.  Their unity is very clearly represented by the phrase “one message, many voices”.  Julian Fantino met with the VOF on 2 October 2013 in Ottawa, and representatives encouraged him to act decisively.  Unfortunately, Mr Fantino has a habit of showing up late for meetings with Veterans and departing early, usually upsetting many of those Veterans, whom he has volunteered to serve as minister.  Mr Fantino was not forced to become minister so why does he continually shirk his responsibilities?  
The House Committee on Veterans Affairs also unanimously insisted recommendations be implemented immediately. This was emphasised along with recommendations of increasing payments to injured soldiers unable to work to match CF salaries and potential future earnings.  It is not necessary for this committee to review yet again what it has already done!
The MVA has the authority to act without waiting for a parliamentary committee or Parliament.  All Canadian cabinet ministers have the authority to make specific decisions with respect to their portfolio. Unfortunately, too many politicians prefer to be indecisive or just follow someone else.  The Veterans Community needs a leader not a follower, and Julian Fantino has an opportunity to be that leader.  If he is, then it could be very beneficial to both the Veterans Community and Prime Minister Harper, who will be preparing for another federal election very soon.  There will be an election in 2015 or earlier.  Prime Minister Harper needs to generate increased public support soon otherwise he may not form the next government.  Julian Fantino can be a good follower by being a good MVA.
The powers, duties and functions of the Minister extend and apply to
• (a) the administration of such Acts of Parliament, and of such orders of the Governor in Council, as are not by law assigned to any other department of the Government of Canada or any Minister thereof, relating to
o (i) the care, treatment or re-establishment in civil life of any person who served in the Canadian Forces or merchant navy or in the naval, army or air forces or merchant navies of Her Majesty, of any person who has otherwise engaged in pursuits relating to war, and of any other person designated by the Governor in Council, and
o (ii) the care of the dependants or survivors of any person referred to in subparagraph (i); and
• (b) all such other matters and such boards and other bodies, subjects, services and properties of the Crown as may be designated, or assigned to the Minister, by the Governor in Council.
(extract from the Department of Veterans Affairs Act)
The people who regularly advise Julian Fantino are the same people who served Stephen Blaney and earlier MVA’s.  They include parliamentary and public service advisors in addition to the many advocates of the Veterans Community.  
Mary Chaput, the deputy minister of VAC has been with the department since October 2010.  Ms. Chaput was the executive vice-president and chief operating officer of the Public Health Agency of Canada from September 2009. The Public Health Agency of Canada’s primary goal is to strengthen Canada’s capacity to protect and improve the health of Canadians and to help reduce pressures on the health care system.  Its role is very similar to that of VAC, which is responsible for health care of the Veterans Community. Of note, the federal government is largest single employer of Canadians (approximately 454,000) and therefore responsible for providing health care for them in addition to what is provided by the provinces and territories.
Keith Hillier, Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery, has been with VAC since 1994.  He is responsible for providing direct service to Veterans, CF, RCMP, certain civilians and their families.
Lieutenant-General Walter Semianiw, Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy, Communications and Commemoration, was seconded from the CF to VAC in 2012. This was an unusual appointment as serving officers do not normally serve in other federal agencies. He joined the CF in 1982. From 2007 to July 2010, he was the Assistant Chief, Military Personnel, and subsequently Chief, Military Personnel, during a period marked by significant improvements and enhancements to pay and personnel and family support programs, including for those physically and psychologically injured on operations.  General Semianiw was responsible for CF policy with regards to health care for the military and now is responsible for policy for the Veterans Community.
Benjamin Woodman is the ministerial adviser on policy and also worked for Stephen Blaney.  
In addition, the chairman of VRAB, John Larlee, and the Veterans Ombudsman, Guy Parent, report through the MVA to Parliament.  They are also involved in addressing the deficiencies in VAC.
All of these people have been involved in discussions and study of the NVC, and related federal legislation concerning the Veterans Community.  If you want to be heroic listen to your advisers, who know where the faults are in the legislation and policy, and what the Veterans Community has been telling them.
There remains a need for the federal government to undertake fundamental changes in how VAC serves the Veterans Community.  Apart from slashing staff and funding, the current government has failed to transform VAC into a department that provides exemplary support to the Veterans Community as was recommended by advisors.  Julian Fantino should implement recommendations in the report submitted by Keith Coulter in May 2010 (An Independent Assessment of Veterans Affairs Canada) in conjunction with the many recommendations to modernise programs administered by VAC.  
If Julian Fantino does not want to lead, then he could be a good follower by implementing all of the recommendations mentioned above.  He has been given an action plan or road map or whatever other title seems appropriate to redress the many failures of the current government and its predecessors by the Veterans Community.  
Another review would indicate that Julian Fantino wants to be neither a leader nor a follower.  If this is true, then he should get out of the way and let someone who is willing to lead or follow become MVA.  Another lame duck minister is not what VAC or the Veterans Community needs.  Attending events with Veterans and verbally praising them are not the sole responsibilities of the MVA, the minister has to do much more.
Can he also explain why only 1300 Veterans may benefit from the estimated $2 million for individual vocational rehabilitation training plans?  This is an average of about $1500 per Veteran, despite a maximum allowance of $78,500.  Can he explain why so many Veterans families are refused monies from the Last Post fund for burials?  Why is the government opposing the Equitas class action and willing to waste millions of taxpayer dollars, if it truly wants to treat Veterans with dignity and respect?  Note that the SISIP Class Action generated about $35 million in legal fees.  Can Julian Fantino explain why it is necessary for meetings of the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs (ACVA) to routinely meet in private such that Canadians cannot witness the activities of its politicians?  Will the committee conduct its complete review of the NVC in private and limit its work to only the 10 sessions currently allocated for this review?  Can he explain why hundreds of recommendations to change the NVC are too many for the government to do?  (One MP had a simple solution start with the first one and go down the list to the last.  Most could be implemented by the minister without Parliament's approval.)
Julian Fantino and his predecessors have been handed the action plan from the Veterans Community.  Not one of them could make the simple decision to enact it.  This is ironic because the federal government is very proud of its Economic Action Plan as advertised regularly, but refuses to support the Veteran Community’s action plans.  Canadians can only conclude that Prime Minister Harper is anti-veteran if his ministers continue to ignore the needs of the Veterans Community.
Don Leonardo of Veterans of Canada met with Julian Fantino on 1 November.  The minister again stated that another full review of the NVC is necessary before he makes any decisions.  Julian Fantino does not want to be heroic.
It is unlikely that Julian Fantino will heed these words based on his record.  As a senior police officer, he has been criticised for being more concerned about politics than policing. He was involved in the Caledonia land claim dispute of 2006.  Members of the Grand River Nation opposed the residential development of land, which was claimed as part of the territory given to the Six Nations by the British Crown in recognition of their loyalty and service during the American Revolution.  The Province of Ontario purchased the land and ceded it to the Six Nations.  Julian Fantino’s role as Commissioner of the Ontario Provincial Police is documented in two books, “Helpless: Caledonia's Nightmare of Fear and Anarchy, and How the Law Failed All of Us” by Christie Blatchford and “Victory In the No Go Zone: Winning the Fight Against Two-Tier Policing” by Gary McHale.  
http://conservativesagainstfantino.wordpress.com/
You can also read the following column about the Caledonia incident:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/11/06/barbara-kay-eyewitness-to-native-lawlessness/
Please decide for yourself whether Julian Fantino is the right person to represent the Veterans Community.
History
This is what the Conservative Party considered as its major policies in 2005 before winning the 2006 federal election:
i) A Conservative Government will treat all veterans with respect and will create a Veteran's Bill of Rights to ensure that all disputes involving veterans are treated quickly, fairly and with the presumption in favour of the rights of the veteran.
ii) A Conservative Government will ensure the veterans of Canada's wars and peacekeeping operations receive their veterans' benefits and health care in a timely fashion.
iii) A Conservative Government will conduct a complete review of the veterans' hospitals to ensure that the needs of veterans are being met.
iv) The Conservative Party would immediately disband the Veterans Review and Appeal Board (VRAB) and replace the membership with qualified medical and military members who are capable of adjudicating appeals on an informed basis rather than a political basis. The VRAB would be housed in offices separate from VA offices and be in locations as set out in the VA Regional offices (major centres).
v) The Conservative Party would immediately enlist the services of an Ombudsman with a mandate similar to that of the National Defence Ombudsman.
vi) The Conservative Party would immediately extend Veterans Independence Program services to the widows of all Second World War and Korean War veterans regardless of when the Veteran died or how long they had been receiving the benefit before they passed away.
vii) The Conservative Party would examine measures to ensure that National military treasures are retained in Canada as a part of our Canadian heritage.
viii) The Conservative Party would immediately institute a complete overhaul of Veterans Affairs Canada bringing it online with the needs of today's veterans of conflict and peacekeeping missions. This would include instituting a standard of delivery of services, i.e., reviews, payment of services, etc.

Statistics
There are over 750,000 potential clients of VAC but only about 17% are official clients.  VAC has stated repeatedly that the number of potential clients is decreasing, but has not been able to provide evidence to support this claim.  In fact, the number of potential clients is growing as the CF, RCMP and other organisations, which are served by VAC, continue to recruit new members.  The RCMP training academy can train 1100 recruits and the Canadian Forces Leadership and Recruit School can train more than 6000, both officers and NCM’s.


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