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Post by Guest on Fri 07 Nov 2014, 15:45

talked to a guy today who was sum zero . last week he was called by SISIP saying the were not taking off CPPD . this afternoon they told him he owes them around $47,000.00

I know pay rates change but if you can help with a little info it may help until he can start with all the running around Monday.

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should a CPL of 20 years with 2 sisip deductions CPPD and military pension be taking home from sisip closer to 700.00 roughly or closer to 1400.00 roughly ????

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Post by Trooper on Fri 07 Nov 2014, 18:26

propat,

Looking at and old pay scale, and taken into consideration the good raise that was given a few years back, and also taken into account that the individuals CPPD is at it's maximum, or close to it, the correct amount should be closer to the $1400 mark, that of course is with both the CF and CPPD deducted.
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Post by Guest on Fri 07 Nov 2014, 18:44

ya kinda thinkin the same thing but they told him the other just found out he was told they were deducting the military pension without the bridge deduction taken off witch he thought was strange because he never actually knew what that was as he was on CPPD before he retired so he never got so much as one pension check in the full amount as it was deducted right from the get go.

there is something strange going on I think.

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Post by Guest on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 06:38

talkin to my buddy last night and guess what ?? SISIP has all his numbers fracked up . I gave him all the info he needed to deal with this including the SISIP policy. guess what kiddies it seems they are not following their own policy. it seems the are deducting amount after COLA not just the initial amounts as per THEIR OWN POLICY !!!

these guys just don't fracking quit!!!

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Post by bigrex on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 18:36

I knew that they had been deducting amounts after indexing, and the lawsuit verified it. Since my 24 months started and ended on the 4th of January, it is easy to determine how much they should have taken off. The first year, SISIP deducted just over $17100, but the second year, they deducted $17700, for my PA pension, even though the policy supposedly exempted COLA increases from their calculation. So logically, it only makes sense that if they were going to break the rules of the policy for one income source, that they would do it for all income sources.
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Post by Guest on Sat 15 Nov 2014, 09:21

bigrex unless they found an error it looks like they were fracking you out of 600 seems a bit much for a cola increase though but I juess it depends on the year.

was talking to the guy last night and he is really fracking upset over this cant eat or sleep he has already lost 15 pounds.

when it comes to the new calculations THEY SAID it comes up on the computer that way with the cola added but they are not actually figuring it into the calculations LOL.

it appears that in 08 when they were told AND THEY CONFIRMED THEY WERE TOLD that he was on CPPD he was already sum zero before that so they didn't bother to deduct it .

when the team doing the calcs got the package he returned to him indicating there were no changes it seems they didn't even bother to look at his file where it would show he was on CPPD they just used the old FRACKED UP calcs maybe or maybe not adding COLA to his deductions as well.

they also told him it would be better for him to just leave it the way it is instead of redoing his retro package because it would be better for him because he wouldn't have to pay back the interest or , get this, LEAGAL FEES LMFAO.

that's right the same peeps that fracked up the file in the first place said HE would have to pay back LEAGAL FEES and he is suppose to trust them.

boys if you were a sum zero client I sudjest you check ALL YOUR CALCULATIONS ASAP.

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Post by Trooper on Sat 15 Nov 2014, 17:45

propat,

I feel bad for your friend, and hope things improve for him.

The CPPD that was not taken off, he will have no choice but to pay that off, ask him to ask SISIP for a pay plan that would detail so much being deducted going forward.

The mistake in the cola calculations, if SISIP is at fault here, they will eventually fix it, I'm sure.

He may want to contact MC and advise them on the cola calculations, I know there is a timeline that was put in place to allow us the opportunity to redress the payout received, however, did he not just learn about this recently ?
It's a long shot, but he must look at all options.

I am sure you are doing everything possible to help him, that is what he needs right now.

I wish him the best in coping with the issue.

Also, if the $47000 in question was part of the settlement that he received, and he pays in back in full, he should request and adjustment in legal fees paid, to recoup what he paid from that amount , and also submit a T1 adjustment to recoup the taxes he paid from that amount.
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Post by Guest on Sat 15 Nov 2014, 18:57

tup good stuff buds gave him that info last week he was talking to the whole legal team Thursday and on their advise asked them for all the calculations Friday morning . he was suppose to call them back Friday with them but late Friday is when he got a call from SISIP saying it will be a 5 day turn around for that. he didn't want to bother MC late Friday so he will contact them Monday to let them know . I told him to expect the 5 days to be ten business days so 2 weeks.

he laughed then cried .

one of the 3 hardest men I ever met but now the guy has issues . thought he was coming around but now . well . cant say it here but im really fracking worried.

why the frack couldn't they get this straight in the fracking first place.

FRACKERS!!!!!

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Post by Guest on Sat 15 Nov 2014, 19:29

I feel for your friend propat. This type of stress can lead to serious consequences. I hope he will be ok.

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Post by Trooper on Sat 15 Nov 2014, 19:33

Yes, I agree issues that would cause anyone stress.

Good on you propat for looking out for him, keep up the good work, this is what he needs right now, a friend to count on.

Again, I wish him well, it is times like this when one in that situation requires answers, quick answers, unfortunately, these things take time, hopefully answers will come sooner rather then later for him.
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Post by bigrex on Sat 15 Nov 2014, 19:55

I think that is one of the things that peeved me off the most about this entire situation. Nobody, other than the Veterans, seemed to give a crap about the undue stress this entire lawsuit has caused members of the class, many whom suffer from psychological disabilities, and are unable to handle stresses as well as healthy individuals. This includes the GoC, VAC, SISIP, the lawyers and CRA. At every turn, it seemed that all they did was try to pack on more stress, from the the legal dirty tricks, the hyper secrecy surrounding the negotiations, the BS payment lottery, the CRA screw ups, and we still have to go through the COLA payment process. Then the unfortunate few have to deal with SISIP screw ups, even though they said that the reason they took so long to process the retro was because each file was done by hand and checked for accuracy, on several levels. I'm wondering if any class members have taken, or thought of taking their own lives because of it. That would almost justify its' own lawsuit.
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Post by Trooper on Sat 15 Nov 2014, 20:13

Well for me what has helped me the most as far as stress goes with regards to the whole settlement was CSAT and all of it's members.

To be honest, without this site, I would have been completely lost.

It is clear that with each problem that we came across, CSAT was always there to help, coming together as a group in this manner, has kept me from losing it.

Do I think things could have been done better, absolutely, however, I think it's important to approach it in more of a positive way, for health sake,difficult, yes, impossible, no.

One thing that comes to mind is that nothing in life is perfect, however, it's where does one draw the line between perfect, and acceptable.
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Post by Guest on Sat 15 Nov 2014, 21:40

remy I hope so to . trooper you know that guy we all do. that guy that was allways there to carry the heavy load or do what had to be done when others couldn't . not the same name of course but the same type of guy we all know them . what im doing for him is nothing really . these type of people you have met im your life you can count on one hand . think about that. and although I don't know you I think I know a little bit about you character and im thinkin you would do as much or more . thing is he don't like people much anymore so I really don't want to get to intrusive . so im really not sure what to do but give him all the info I have .

all I can say is these FRACKERS really dropped the ball on this one .

but then again it is an insurance coy with access to his medical records .

maybe the bottom line is worth more than a statistic ????? who fracking knows ??? of course they probably don't give a frack anyway because it really only comes down to the CDS anyway .

does he give a frack????

ya not fracking likely.

jmo

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Post by 1993firebird on Sun 16 Nov 2014, 09:30

I am zero sum , waiting on appeal for LTD past first two years due to not submitting Doctor reports at the 18th and 24th month point because their was no financial gain to do it due to the clawback. Someone just shoot me , lol , on a good note , got accepted for the Bursary.

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Post by Guest on Sun 16 Nov 2014, 10:03

Similiar situation here 1993firebird and it really irks me that they are taking so long. I called last week and they said they are only assessing the files now as opposed to making decisions. I asked that I thought there was a court ordered deadline for decisions and the lawyer said he wasn't aware of any. And yes, they are waiting to finish them all before letting us know. Won't be before Christmas that is my guess.

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