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Post by Teentitan on Mon 30 Mar 2015, 20:06

The guidelines have not been worked out yet. They will be when the bill is introduced on the floor of the HoC.

So I don't want to speculate on who, what, how, why at all.
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Tin Soldier on Mon 30 Mar 2015, 20:52

Is this for the New Veteran Charter soldiers only?

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Post by Recon031 on Mon 30 Mar 2015, 21:27

Thank - you Ron , Teentitan ......

Just to put myself out there as an Example , But ! , as you said , we'll have to Wait for the Legislation to be Written - up !


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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by bigrex on Mon 30 Mar 2015, 21:28

Tin Soldier, it doesn't spell it out like that, but since they say that the incident has to have happened after March 31st 2006, in order to qualify, any PA pensions would have had to have been from previous accidents. So even though it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the lump sum award and bringing it to comparable levels as civie street, only serious incidents, that could have resulted in a lump sum award, are allowed to be compensated for.

I just hope that this announcement is not tied to anything dealing with the Equitas lawsuit settlement talks.
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Post by Recon031 on Mon 30 Mar 2015, 21:33

Hey BigRex ........or ........TeenTitan ,

       Is it just me , Or , Did they intentionally  " LEAVE OUT "  troops with Severe PTSD  for this CIB /  Critically Injured Benefit ...... ???

On  CTV National News ,  Minister O'Toole ......did say ...... Crirical Injury ... or ......Illness ... Pain... Stress ....& Hardship  !

Anyone's thoughts on this ???


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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Tin Soldier on Mon 30 Mar 2015, 21:56

I see what you are saying now bigrex. Basically the fact that the injury has to have occurred post March 2006 means that this pertains only to New Charter Veterans.

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Post by bigrex on Mon 30 Mar 2015, 22:14

The way I see it is , a Veteran would have to prove that they witnessed, or was involved in a singular incident after 2006, and the resulting mental trauma had an immediate affect on them, required hospitalization and therapy, before they could get the CIB. But you and I both know that the vast majority, 99% of soldiers, are going to bury their emotions and deny that anything is wrong, until they just cannot anymore.

Like I said earlier, this should have been a DND benefit, similar to the accidental dismemberment, or the spousal income replacement that is offered after a CF member is seriously injured. Becasue after they pay out the retro benefit, to the approx 100 Veterans, this will be strictly for serving members, and will only be payable while they are still serving
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by 6608 on Mon 30 Mar 2015, 22:54

Rex,Not just approx 100 retroactively that qualify, 200k annual cost going forward means they estimate only 3 people will get this a year going forward.

Interview on power and politics.............listen closely folks

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2661577790/



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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Guest on Tue 31 Mar 2015, 07:45

I do have one disagreement with respect to the power & politics interview posted by 6608 - If you listen to the interview, and go forward into the interview to 9:20 where Mr. O'Toole say's that bill c-58 " Where going to be in a end state where Veterans covered by this, with our enhancements and changes will be in a better position than under the old pension act by any measure.

trooper respectfully disagrees with that statement.

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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Guest on Tue 31 Mar 2015, 08:59

It's all a plan, cover up, get Jessie Ventura!, the Cons planned this as an attack strategy against the various veterans groups. Allways look at the fine print, who on here is actually going to benefit?

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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by RobbieRoyal on Tue 31 Mar 2015, 10:03

Need some bird seed to feed the flock gathered around, I will warn you that I only have enough feed for just a few so get in line and hope that you get some chaff or crumbs for fack sakes
Sounds like a PC stand oh yeah election time
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by bigrex on Tue 31 Mar 2015, 11:18

each of these changes were designed so that it costs as little as possible, by either reducing the payments through deductions, or limiting eligibility.

The RISB, instead of reducing one benefit by 30%, they are reducing three benefits, and then against what what was told to veterans, other income will still be deducted, except instead of being deducted from one of the benefits, they will be deducted from the reduced total of all three.

The Caregiver benefit sounds like the Veteran will have to be infirm, and completely dependent on others, before they can qualify, and not be in receipt of a PA pension.

The CIB, only compensates for critical injuries that have happened after 2006, that require extensive surgeries or hospitalization immediately afterwards. This will exclude the vast majority of PTSD recipients, unless they also suffered physical injuries in the same event. It will also exclude any injury that was serious but wasn't life threatening. To me a critical injury is not one that someone can fully recover from, so any injury or illness that is career ending and results from a lifelong disability should be included.
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Recon031 on Tue 31 Mar 2015, 13:55

Trooper , TinSoldier , Bigrex , 6608 , Navrat , & My Comrade RR RobbieRoyal ,

     ........... You are All Correct ......... There won't even be any Crumbs left over for the guys on The Old Pension Act ,

...... A few NVC guys will get a Check " Each Year " & that's it ..... It's All Smoke & Mirrors !

...... It was well thought out " Behind Closed Doors " to look attractive & they did keep using the Word .... Veteran 's , as if all .... 750,000 veterans were going to receive a check in the Mail .

...... When the Fog Lifts ..... "  ONLY  "  3  Soldiers each year will get something  ! ....... IF THEY GET BLOWN UP , or , Stab themselves with a BAYONET ! Hint ! Hint !

.... THAT's IT  !

......  All the ""  Severely  Disabled Troops  ""  from the Past with 100 %  to include  Severe PTSD , WILL NOT ,  receive another dime .

This seems to be Purely .... ONE BIG PHOTO OP ..... Shameful  !!!



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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Teentitan on Tue 31 Mar 2015, 17:16

A major point that is being missed about the CIB is that yes it is for the NVC vets but it's also for the CF personnel that get an injury that may not require a VAC application. Like a knife wound or gunshot wound.

Hey would it be great to see some of this for the PA vets? Yes. But I'm thinking about the NVC guys who sat there and watched us get our retro LTD money while they didn't.

Both incidents aren't fair for each group but hey at least there is something for each of us.
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by RobbieRoyal on Tue 31 Mar 2015, 17:43

that is absolutely true and we do what we do for all veterans period, I just hate getting pumped up just to be dumped that sucks
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