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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by BinRat on Mon 01 Jun 2015, 23:46

Maybe it should be if you are/were medically released from the military you are entitled to it.

Though again the only one's to get it would be from there set date, it won't go back past 06 when the nvc was brought in.

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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Guest on Mon 01 Jun 2015, 20:10

CIB...is a crock people. Minimum stay in hospital months and months? The lump sum was brought in to save the government money....that's the only reason for lump sum awards. CIB ya ok...so hat about Veterans with mental illnesses that suffer daily not in hospitals....yet alone the ones that have lived a tormented life not for 84 fu**ing days....YEARS. so if hey spent months in a cookoo ward they would qualify perhaps? I know too many guys and gals messed up and as far as I am concerned vac and the CIB can b shoved right up the politicians a**es. I believe the cib would benefit some....but the prerequisites to qualify are too stringent. Bunch of political spaghetti.

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Post by Guest on Mon 01 Jun 2015, 16:46

Skud, So true, if the ConNewWorldOrderservatives, really wanted to fix all the veterans problems they could in one second but the truth is they don't , it's so clear , all these fake announcements amount to nothing but something the Cons want written in all the newspapers that they are helping. Thirsty , have an orange crush you might like it!

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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Skud on Mon 01 Jun 2015, 14:49

My opinion: Scrap the CIB, and every NVC lump sum recipient receives an additional 35%.

CONSERVATIVES won't help our veterans yet in the past few years the government gave to the following countries....millions. These countries are not so well off so it is unlikely we will ever see the money back, besides what have most done for us? Did the government even ask the Cdn people!
Hamas - 351 M,
Pakistan - 2 B,
Libya - 1.45 B,
Egypt - 397 M,
Mexico - 622 M,
Russia - 380 M,
Haiti - 1.4 B,
Jordan - 463 M,
Kenya - 816 M,
Sudan - 870 M,
Nigeria - 456 M,
Uganda - 451 M,
Congo - 359 M,
Ethiopia - 981 M,
South Africa – 566 M,
Senegal - 698 M,
Mozambique - 404 M,
Zambia - 331 M,
Kazakhstan - 304 M,
Iraq - 1.08 B,
Tanzania - 554 M,

TOTAL $14.933 BILLION
Over 5 Billion a year on direct cash support of foreign aid, and 20 Billion on Immigration & Refugee programs
AUSTRALIA, UK, THE USA& CANADA - countries where we have homeless
persons, children going to bed hungry, elderly going without needed
medication and mentally ill without treatment, veterans living in poverty, etc.
Imagine if our "GOVERNMENT" gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries no questions asked! Did the other countries have to apply for this money or do anything for it....lol, were they denied and then had to go and appeal....lmao.......the government is willing to help other before they help their own....the ironic part is; we the veterans who have done so much for this country and we get treated like the enemy.

ABC (Anyone But Conservatives)

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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by bigrex on Sun 31 May 2015, 16:28

In spite of all the rhetoric, this demonstrates just how narrow minded the Tories are, with who they feel deserves their support. You know one person that will likely get the CIB though? Major Campbell of the Equitas lawsuit. So as the lead representative, or at least the most visible one, the government lawyers can now say that he was just approved to receive the additional $70000, so what more can he want? Making him and the others seem greedy, in the eyes of the court and the public.
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by redfisher on Sun 31 May 2015, 12:44

Having a physical injury that has a short term hospital stay or requires someone assisting in daily activities for a short period of time qualifies a Vet for the CIB. Having said that how about loosing your mind in Afghanistan, being under constant medical watch and sent home to be under the constant care of a doctor, psychologists and psychiatrists weekly and sometimes bi-weekly for years?
Does going to the hospital to get help as you feel suicidal during this time of constant care qualify a Vet for CIB?

During this time your spouse has to do all the chores, banking, coordinating because you can't think strait or even do simple math such as adding two numbers together. How about not being able to read and make sense of a book or article let alone your wife telling you that you have an appointment which you forgot about. How about not remembering a conversation you just had 5 minutes ago?

Or, needing somebody close to you just so you can be out in public?

Since there was no short term hospital stay why would this person be denied CIB?
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Slaket on Sun 31 May 2015, 11:13

Teen,

I agree 100% with Bigrex on the scrapping of the whole CIB. I am still not clear how it even came about and who brought it forward. If the awards system in VAC was some how streamlined then the individual who would be applying for CIB should be applying for a DIsability award and in theory receive it in the same timeframe as the proposed CIB. Where the system is at fault is the acknowledgment of the injury award when compared to other countries military's and our own provincial workmens compensation systems. Until we are at par with those then the whole VAC award system is prejudicial to each and every Vet with a valid injury.

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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by bigrex on Sat 30 May 2015, 19:16

Honestly, the minimum hospital stays, as a prerequisite, you could have people who actually lie about getting better, just to get the money. I mean, if you get injured, and you are already in the hospital for an extended period, but know that if you stay in the hospital for x number of days, you get $70000 tax free, wouldn't you try to stay in the hospital until you met the required number of days. Like having to stay in intensive care for 10 days. Just the very fact that you are placed into an ICU, means that something serious has happened. So they need to completely ditch the CIB, and simply increase the Lump Sum, for EVERYONE, not just the select few. After all, wasn't the intent of the CIB was to provide immediate financial support after an injury while waiting for a disability award to be decided upon, but if having to wait for 3 or 4 months, just to see if you meet the time required to qualify for the CIB, defeats that purpose. It is actually conceivable that a disability award could be approved before the CIB is. If they are worried about the initial requirement for cash, after an injury, maybe they should start paying an interim payment of 5%-10%, when you submit your first application for a disability award, providing that you attach an accident report, or incident report of a traumatic event, if applying for PTSD.
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Teentitan on Sat 30 May 2015, 18:22

Johnny I have had many conversations from O'Toole to his staffers, VAC lawyer. They all were speaking the same and not once did any of them mention a soldier has to be near death to qualify for the CIB.

if you could get your friend to contact me via the CSAT Forum Master on the main VVi home page and explain his injuries to me I can pass them along for him without having him to reveal himself.

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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by pinger on Sat 30 May 2015, 16:56

Overall, I feel this CIB is not good. And certainly not in the above factors to be considered.
Simplifying the variables may help future soldiers. Better yet, throw out the CIB premise, go back to the drawing board. Use common sense without burning time or taxpayers money.

Sure there will be gray area's. But perservering for black and white (benefit of doubt included) is good.

Because frankly, wouldn't most of us find the 10 days, 12 weeks, 16 weeks a bureaucratic nightmare red tape insult?
I would. What about the future guys......

Call it one week I don't know. Bobby has 13 weeks but I only have 11 weeks... Son of a bee!!!

JMO but I feel CIB is just a pre-election house of cards. Might have more validity this Christmas after the election though... pinger.


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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by johnny211 on Sat 30 May 2015, 16:17

I have a friend who had an IED incident. Has all his body parts, but had other serious injuries. I told him to read these over. He said he didnt think he would qualify. He told me one would almost have to be near death to qualify. VVV..
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Teentitan on Sat 30 May 2015, 12:38

All good points. I too am somewhat baffled that a foot, hand, or some fingers isn't considered to be a CIB.

There is also no mention of disease's like flesh eating, TB that will scar the lungs, sarcoidosis, and exposure to any radiation.

I know a lot of the above can take years to develop but they need to be recorded in a members medical records of any exposure.
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by bigrex on Sat 30 May 2015, 11:29

Teen, I agree that with the required hospital stays, it will drastically reduce the number of people who will qualify, but I think that was the intent. After I had my emergency spinal surgery a few years ago, they discharged me after only 3 days. Even the surgeon said that in the old days, I would have been in the hospital for at least several weeks, and it's not because the surgery is less evasive than before, it's just that they need the bed. And this has become the norm for every hospital across the country.
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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Guest on Sat 30 May 2015, 10:15

yup you are absolutely correct teen . this should be solely based on the injury not time spent in this place or that .

we have all seen guys that wouldn't take an hour off for any reason and we have all seen guys that would milk something for all its worth.

only one of these two types of people would receive this under some of these criteria .

injury baced criteria  would be the best way and it seems the did start that way but then the whole thing kinda went sideways .

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Re: Critical Injury Benefit (CIB)

Post by Riddick on Sat 30 May 2015, 09:42

Right off the hop I don't like this teen, for me this raises a huge red flag! Whatever is decided upon and made regulation, they can then point the finger at us and say........."this is what you veterans voiced/wanted". We could be the proverbial scape goat they need.

Secondly: "These factors were developed based upon expert medical opinion", huh.......how many veterans went to VAC and then VRAB and like me, had claims denied. They called the "expert medical opinion" of my 2 doctors uncredible!!!!! arghhh!! so why should their expert medical opinion be any more credible and accepted by us?

What causes moderate pain for one person might be considered severe by another. Everyone's quality of life cannot be considered the same, this is very subjective. Injuries are not so black and white as many injuries cause, create or manifest into other symptoms which invariably affect one's quality of life in a very big way.

I suspect the CIB will be whittled away so again only 1% can be eligible or benefit.

Because an injury like PTSD or back problems etc., is not considered to be an immediate injury, it is critical with life-long debilitating affects with a huge impact on quality of life and families.

The criteria for CIB needs to be much more broad to encompass/include life-long injuries. To measure an injury above the wrist or days in a hospital is ridiculous and ultimately UNFAIR. How about the people that need weekly, bi-weekly or monthly physician, psychiatric or physio?

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