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Post by Teentitan on Sun 26 Apr 2015, 13:06

Like I said before Rex VAC is now compartmentalized for each group of veterans (20) and because we just finished the Afghan tour the compartment that needs the most attention is the NVC.

2 years ago it was SDA/CF soldiers who had their LTD stolen from them. Returned at a pretty nickel.

The Summit was the same way each group had a compartment they wanted fixed. Some can be fixed by just doing/changing the wording or doing a memo to cabinet to fix a benefit.

That's why I'm waiting to see how the new veteran-centric approach is going to work and how effective it will be. Walt Natynzyk is the boss in this new approach and by the looks of it it's starting to work.

You guys know I don't give a fiddlers fadoo who wins the next election. Whoever wins I will be at the table with concerns from all the vets here on CSAT.

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Post by Riddick on Sun 26 Apr 2015, 11:56

My 2 cents,

The majority will agree that the MVA is a puppet and the Conservative Government is not doing enough for us vets. Throwing bread crumbs and announcements of various programs is just an insult to our intelligence and patience. I have written and received correspondence from John Larlee the Chair of VRAB and also the Minister himself............they do not care. John Larlee suggested I go through the Federal Court of Canada. Knowing full well the VRAB are self-governed and are not obligated to listen to them. They are above the law and they know it. The Minister backs them up because they save the government money.

We need financial assistance. All the training in the world won't help pay a mortgage, put food all the table, put my kids through school and pay bills. My spouse is now my caregiver.....no longer has her paying job, but to look after me and the family. Ohhhhh put us ahead of the line to get a job....wow....awesome.......how many are really going to hire vets with missing limbs.....mental illness.......and many in our late 40's and only getting older.

I wrote Mr. Peter Stoffer NDP Veterans critic) and was kind enough and professional enough to call and talk to me personally (thank you again Mr. Stoffer). He strongly believes the VRAB should have a Public Inquiry and I couldn't agree more. They have shot down the opinion of 2 of my doctors (specialists in their field) and called their opinion "uncredible" by using the online medical dictionary which the Federal Court of Canada says they can't do.....but continue not to listen and apply their own rules at their discretion. They call me uncredible without giving any reason, they make assumptions and fail to apply any inference or benefit of doubt. I am only one out of how many other vets had to deal with this biased and unfair office called VRAB. They need to be....GONE!

Us veterans have "Strength in Numbers" ....but we need to come together. The Veterans Ombudsman appears to have our backs, but he is limited. I think it is futile to flip flop Liberals to Conservatives and Conservatives to Liberals etc., etc. Voting against the Conservative Government is easy......and with all the family, friends and their friends that will be on the side of veterans, we can have quite the strong position. But.........having 10% vote for one party, 22% vote for another and the other 68% (or so) vote for 3 or 4 other parties is counter productive. This Harper government doesn't believe in any "Sacred Obligation". But Harper certainly believes in sending troops where ever and whenever he wants with no regard to what happens to them once they come back. He us proven that time and again......just look at what he has done to us and how he supports us....ha ha ha.......the NVC......what a piece of garbage that is.

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Re: Five MVA

Post by Guest on Sun 26 Apr 2015, 11:04

Well said bigman he is a master manipulator!

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Post by bigrex on Sun 26 Apr 2015, 10:33

The thing is teen, these benefits had to have been well in the works before O'Toole became the MVA. The Tories are merely playing Bad Cop/Good Cop with the VAC file. Fantino was there yelling and screaming, making threats for a few years, and filling the bad cop role perfectly, because he was detested by everyone. Then O'Toole comes in, speaks softly, brings in a cup of water, just in case you're thirsty. He identifies with you, because he has similar past, and could have easily have been in your position, and that it wasn't your fault. He then puts a deal on the table that sounds sounds good because it isn't presented in a threatening manner. After all, this guy is being nice to you, so there is no way that he would screw you over. So you take the deal, and the next thing you know, your in a cell, being bent over for your cell mate RISB, and you're grateful for getting screwed because now you have protection in old age.
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Post by Guest on Sun 26 Apr 2015, 04:18

Okay im back to my feisty self take a good close look at the thing we call a prime minister he lies more than he tells the truth, He is more power hungry than any PM in history, He has no respect for the UN. HE has no respect for his soldiers. There is no respect for what Canadians want he ignores this and does his own thing. He wont respect the supreme courts decisions they are in place to protect the law of the land and Canadians rights. There is not one thing he has done to improve Canada. He did balance the budget with money he stole from Canadians and veterans. He is plain and simply a DICTATOR and that sort of person should not be prime minister period. He is a CORN---EO!!!

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Post by Teentitan on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 23:31

Well got to give him some respect by opening his mouth. Whereas in 95' the Libs said nothing about changing LTD for life. Just giving perspective guys
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Post by pinger on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 22:14

I agree with you propat. Pretty sad. In hindsight it's pretty retarded but who is listening?
A majority of Canadians don't listen, give a crap, or even vote.
A lot of Canadians could use a kick in the butt for their OWN benefit, let alone ours.
But I'm rambling.

5 MVA's? Sure has been a lot of them since the late 80's. More than I change my shorts but that's probably just my memory...pinger.
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Post by Guest on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 17:50

really sad times when we cant get back what we lost in 95 and 2006 . cant wait to see what they will try to take in 2017 they seem to have an 11 year itch . when you compare what they are offering when compared to what they have taken im thinking these frackes out to be embarrassed . im mean for a MVA to stand up and announce these changes using words like significant and game changer ???? what kind of a person could do that?????

personally I couldn't do it no party or PM could corrupt my soul that much that I could choke those words out of my mouth .

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Post by Guest on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 13:14

Trooper I Agree and Teen I Agree also. What I believe burns a lot of vets is some get and some don't. If you live in a different area, like I have, the cm and district offices treat you different some better some worse, some help some don't. Also there's the whole PA veterans and the new Veterans charter veterans there's the pre 1995 sisip Ltd veterans who get it for life and the ones after who don't. There's the veterans that are half and half, PA and NVC, there's the reserves who in Ontario want to keep WISB and don't want VAC. There's too many different kinds of veterans which creates bad feelings and it's bad policy

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Post by Teentitan on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 13:11

Well said trooper. I would like to add one point, if I may, the NVC is a "compartmenatalized" bill. There are many reasons and injury categories for military releases.

The NVC is trying to break it down to the bare bones for each compartment and this is why there will always be fighting for what is right for veterans.

When the NVC was presented to the HoC I blame every single politician of every single party for NOT doing their job and reading it and seeing it for what it was.

It shot the HoC at lightspeed and now we are trying to fix it with governments that work at glacial speeds.
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Post by Guest on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 12:26

The article is well written, and pretty well says it all, but putting Harper aside, I think the main focal point that should be looked at is why are Veterans so upset at the government in the first place, yes it is true that the present government is lacking big time in addressing Veterans issues in the context of serving our Veterans as a whole, as oppose to filling gaps within a system that divides groups of Veterans into separating disabled Veterans that result into improvements that focus on small groups of Veterans who do actually benefit from what is being improved.

So yes the government is at fault for the many ways they addressed Veterans concerns, but I think the main reason why all of these problems have occurred, and will continue to occur for many years to come is because of the implementation of the New Veterans Charter.
That is what I think, and that is what I continue to believe, this in my opinion will be a fight that will continue for disabled Veterans for many many years to come, it is in my opinion that there's just to many categories in the NVC that breaks up the term ( benefits for disabled Veterans ) there's to many road blocks for those disabled Veterans who seek to get a standard of security when they are medically released.
It is geared to ( REHABILITATE ) ( RETURN TO THE WORK FORCE ) which all sounds good, and it is good except for one thing, instead of helping Veterans with the above as implementing this as an option to the Veteran, it is provided help in the manner of determining future benefits, no matter which way one looks at it, the pressure is put on the Veteran to make the stressful choice in deciding which card they will be dealt, before one can comment on this, one has to remind themselves that the Veteran has been " MEDICALLY RELEASED FROM THE SERVICE "

As I have already stated before, no governing party has come forward and said they will revert back to the old pension act, so to me, and this is just me as I am fully aware that there many divisions amongst ourselves as to where we all stand on this issue, I don't see any significant changes that would reflect Veterans as a whole moving forward by any governing party as long as the NVC remains in place, I truly hope that I'm wrong as all I want is for Veterans to be put front and centre in that all Veterans be treated equally across the board when it comes to the benefits Veterans receive.

My opinion only.

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Post by 6608 on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 11:16

Here is a link to another article "This election should be fought over how we treat veterans"
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/this-election-should-be-fought-over-how-we-treat-veterans/article24105020/



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Re: Five MVA

Post by Teentitan on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 10:52

I understand where this idea is coming from but how many remember the decade of darkness?

In the 90's the CF was constantly gutted, pay was less then civy street jobs, soldiers actually got food stamps. The Sea Kings was in the process to be replaced and the gov't paid $500 million to cancel the contract!

Who was the government of the whole ten years? The Liberals.

We can't just boot one to get the other in to ifix VAC. Many groups have asked for signed documents that they will fix VAC. The Libs said no but the NDP said yes.

Personally I want it to go further then a signed document I want it notarized by a federal judge that if the gov't does not keep their promise within 100 days then they have to quit politics totally and call an election.

Make them put their jobs on the line. Hell we did and look where we are and where they are.

If you want to rally the troops then this is what you put infront of them...do the job or lose your job forever.
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Re: Five MVA

Post by Guest on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 09:48

Harper needs to feel scared that he's going to lose the election, this and only this will push him to try and buy votes from any group. I truly hope he gets voted out, I'd prefer a coalition government really. After all these years in power the Cons aren't going to change so why givem another 4 years of power? It's time for a change and there's no guarantee any other government will change anything but there's a thing called Hope and right now Harper is Hopeless

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Post by Guest on Sat 25 Apr 2015, 08:12

you got,er danny lots of puppets have did little to nothing on this file over the years but its not their fault its the puppeteers .

if vets start to vote in block on mass that would be a game changer.

that's how we can come together .

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