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Re: Retirement Income Security Benefit (RISB)

Post by tfmm on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 13:02

The way I'm reading it so far, Bigrex and Propat could be right. "Qualified to receive" is not equal to "in receipt of" where one benefit is a prerequisite of another.

Mentally managing the convolutions of regulations is like herding feral cats.

I'm so confused.

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Post by Riddick on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 12:31

I often shake my head at the way they word things. I am sure interpretation by VAC staff is the same. Depending on who you talk to or how knowledgeable one's CM is, would go hand in hand as to who gets what approved.

Having multiple examples would help veterans and lay man to easily see if they fall within the criteria for eligibility.

Now if the VAC staff start contacting the veterans / their spouses for clarification or additional info like we have been told; well that will help out big time.

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Post by Teentitan on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 10:53

Hopefully by the end of the month all the regulations come out. I have asked the Ministers Staff to also release a version of the regulations in English. I explained that I have a hard time understanding the language regulations are written in, believe me I do have a hard time, so the non-university grads can understand the benefits.

I know it's hard to 'believe' what they are saying but time will tell. As in next May when the GoC and Equitas go back infront of the BC judge for either a mutual withdraw of the lawsuit or it carries on in the courts.
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Re: Retirement Income Security Benefit (RISB)

Post by Guest on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 08:35

no cut off date to apply for ELB , PIA , and sup among others and if on ELB no cut off date to apply for RISB . however there is a cut off date to apply for RISB if you are on SISIP .

yup we know you are 100% , TPI and on SISIP but since you didn't jump through all the hoops to get on ELB because they would not pay you anything if you were accepted and its past the cut off date for SISIP guys you get nothing . is there any other way we can frack you today.

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Post by bigrex on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 01:16

The thing is, the way it is written, anyone who is on SISIP and currently under the age of 55, will not qualify for the benefit, whether they are VAC clients or not. Because you have to turn 65 before 2025, AND approved for disability benefits. To me, it looks like they are either going transfer everyone on SISIP with service related disabilities onto ELB, or they are going to force people to opt out of SISIP, and go on ELB, in order to get the RISB Personally, I don't care what VAC says is the intent of the cut off date is, because unless the regulations spell it out differently than what is listed on the VAC website, a lot of current and future Veterans on SISIP, are going to get screwed.
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Post by Teentitan on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 23:22

My bad pinger sorry about that.

All I know is when it comes to ANY benefit the VAC bureaucrats/beancounters always have a "time frame" attached to it.

A question that VVi has asked at every stakeholder meeting and everytime I talk to anyone at VAC.

Convaluted answers which just makes one scratch their heads. LOL
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Post by pinger on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 22:06

I know pa is for life teen, I've been on their books for 30 years.

When I mention dirty pool it is a reflection of more recent inadequacies post 2006.
(Even prior). But how can someone let go of generations of mistrust since the announcements of 6 months ago? Nada, not me.

If vac is being above board... this is good for sisip clients.
But lets see how this pans out by next spring and time shall we?

No matter if Erin O'Toole or Peter Stoffer was the vac minister, they would both have a "boss".

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Post by Guest on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 21:59

The RISB is for those who "do not get a PA payment"???? HUH ????guess I missed something .

ok vets don't want to deal with VA or don't for whatever reason and VA wants to fix that ?????

weather they are on the books or not, like pinger , you are fracked if you are outside the window .

so ya I recommend calling them all right and applying for ELB yup its a crap load of paperwork a lot more than you will ever see for a RISB application but then that window disappears .

veteran centric , reduce paperwork my but !!!! looks like just the opposite !!!!

how about this for a simple salutation eliminate the cut off date A -holes .

clean pool ???? looks like the same old cest pool ta me.

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Post by bigrex on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 21:30

Actually, one of the criteria for getting the RISB, is that you have to be eligible for a VAC disability benefit, IE: a PA pension, a lump sum award, or the PIA. All of these are dependent on having a service related disability. If someone has been on SISIP until age 65, and is not a VAC client, it is because they know that their disability is not service related, or was denied benefits by VAC, and therefor would not be eligible for the RISB. But even if there are Vets out there strictly on SISIP, that will be eligible for the RISB, I have to ask why have a cut off date at all. There are still young Veterans that are going on SISIP this year, so what happens when they turn 65? Will they not have the same financial needs as anyone else? So, to me it just doesn't make any logical sense.
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Post by Teentitan on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 20:40

Pinger if you are in receipt of PA payment then you get that for life. The RISB is for those who "do not get a PA payment".

There is no dirty pool in this explanation. If anything VAC is actually being above board by stating a date for those on SISIP to call VAC before 2025 to make sure they are on their books so they get the RISB.

If anything it's squeaky clean pool. LOL
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Post by pinger on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 20:26

That Specific Criteria phrase generally makes me cringe pale †if it's a can of worms in progress.
Granted, it must be difficult to simplify all of our variables, complications, and scenerarios.

I'll be outside of this tenative 2025 window, never was sisip just old pa but know that the next 10 years can change a lot of... stuff. Time will tell, whether you or I have the luxury of it.

Some things ain't simple but should definitely not be exploited on either side of the "fence" either.
Very dirty pool comes to mind...

Stay very well all. pinger.
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Post by Teentitan on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 16:36

I sent the question to the Ministers Staff and this is the answer I got back about this point...

*who turned age 65 between April 1, 2006 and July 1, 2025 and who were eligible for SISIP LTD total disability benefits at that time"

This specific criteria is needed because there are Veterans who have been receiving SISIP who have never engaged Veterans Affairs. We want to fix that, so SISIP Vets donít have to do an application at 65. Until we make that internal process fix, we need a criteria that includes any Military Veteran who is receiving SISIP right now who has never applied to Veterans Affairs. We extended the time period from the original proposed to 2025 just to be sure.

So spread the word people. If you come across a vet in receipt of SISIP LTD but has never dealt with VAC tell them to call and get their name on the list so they get the RISB.
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Post by bigrex on Wed 01 Jul 2015, 23:14

Yes, so unless you are 55 years or older and on SISIP, you will not be entitled to RISB? That just does not make any sense, unless they are planning on transferring everyone with service related disabilities to ELB at some point in the next few years, and expect to have everyone transferred before 2025 at the latest. The only positive being that now people who have already lost their sisip or ELB since 2006, because they turned 65, will be able to start collecting the RISB almost immediately.
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Re: Retirement Income Security Benefit (RISB)

Post by Guest on Wed 01 Jul 2015, 14:02

That's the problem, this 2025 date , why ,it's going cut people off what if you turn age 65 in 2028? It's a joke, it's always something

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Post by Guest on Wed 01 Jul 2015, 13:42

Veterans of the Canadian Armed Forces who:
*have reached age 65;

WOW that's great but I think they missed an " and " at the end witch im sure will be corrected in short order .

guess some folks that haven't filed for ELB yet will have to get that done .

thanks 6608

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