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Post by Riddick on Wed 22 Jul 2015, 21:50

Smoke and mirrors.......don't count one's chickens before they are hatched.

There is more than meets the eye when it comes to the latest of the Cons and their Child Tax Benefit

New child benefits may not be worth as much as advertised, experts say
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/new-child-benefits-may-not-be-worth-as-much-as-advertised-experts-say-1.2481038

The federal government has begun mailing its new monthly Universal Child Care Benefit cheques to parents, but some experts say the benefit isn’t worth as much as advertised.
The UCCB has been promoted in television ads as providing nearly $2,000 annually for each child under age six, and $720 yearly for children aged six to 17.
However, some parents may not realize that the UCCB is not only taxable, but also coincides with the elimination of the Child Tax Credit.
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The federal government has begun mailing its new monthly Universal Child Care Benefit cheques to parents, but some may not realize that the UCCB is not only taxable, but also coincides with the elimination of the Child Tax Credit.
A typical family with two children under the age of six will get $320 per month, but high-and middle-income earners will lose roughly a third of that through taxes. Another $30 per child will be clawed back through the elimination of the child tax credit.
“On the one hand they’re giving more money, on the other hand they’re taking it away,” said tax expert Fred O’Riordan of Ernst & Young LLP.
Liberal finance critic John McCallum said the Conservative government’s decision to roll out the cheques now and then tax them later was “purely political.”
“It’s purely intended to make people think they’re getting more than they really are,” McCallum said.
“A lot of Canadians won’t think about tax,” he added. “They hear a bigger dollar amount so they think more money.”
McCallum said the Liberals’ proposed child benefit would be tax free. It would provide up to $6,400 annually for every child under six and up to $5,400 annually for children aged six to 17. The benefit would vary depending on the family’s income, and 90 per cent of families would get it. A typical family of four earning $90,000 a year would receive a tax-free monthly cheque of $490 under the Liberal plan.
Instead of sending out cheques, the NDP has proposed creating one million daycare spaces that cost parents no more than $15 per day.
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Post by Guest on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 07:52

and let the vote buying begin . wholy ol cake wobbalin frack . ya know Im startin to miss the days when they would drive you to the polls and back and give ya a point of rum for your vote .

ya there was a lot more crookedness involved but party or campaign money bought the gass and rum not taxpayer dollars .

what can I say I like the NDP plan because they are not buying them with straight out cash and spinning how much it really is .

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Post by Riddick on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 08:33

Deception is the same as lying in my books, and this government loves to deceive the people it is working for.

Harper has changed his decision on things he said he never would......he takes from the poor and he takes more from the poor and pretends he is doing so much for us.

The word hate comes to mind more often than not.

On Facebook there is a group started.....it is called "Get Rid Of Harper". Pretty sad when our leader and his party is so bad and crooked we need to resort to advertise on getting rid of them.

But I do agree......GET RID OF HARPER... ...there is no one worse.........take a chance .....heck we can only go up from here Mad

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Post by bigrex on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 10:56

The Tories have broken the law with these payments. the Income Tax Act requires that the payer deduct the appropriate taxes from any payment, but they failed to do that with the UCCB. There has been no deductions made from this weeks payment, and the only reason for doing so, is purely for optics. A smaller cheque, doesn't look as impressive. And failing to do so, means that when people go to do their taxes, they will have automatically underpaid, which will reduce any possible refund, or even eliminate it altogether, especially a family with several young children
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Post by teentitan on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 11:17

I don't have kids so don't have a dog in this fight other then I'm a taxpayer. I've seen these stunts before by the Liberals and Conservatives. It always happens before an election so vote buying, swaying, schmoozing it's just one of those things.

Oh Rex they are not breaking a tax law. If you get CPP D they do not deduct any taxes. The recipient decides how much to deduct so they can maximize their monthly payment. I was baffled when I got my CPP D and asked why they did not deduct and that is what they told me. I think it's a pretty good rule.
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Post by Guest on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 12:19

yup id rather not pay a dime all year collect the interest then pay it when its due .

not a big fan of giving the GOC an interest free loan every pay they never gave me one .

I know some people don't want to see the big bill and even actually plan on a big return so they can buy stuff they need,want or just useless crap . when they get that money are all happy so that's the up side because I never am but im not living in a dream world either.

trust me you don't really know how much tax you are paying until you take it out of your account all in one sitting and pay it . started that a long time ago and yes I knew the numbers I was paying but paying it like that really makes it hit home . the first year I did it I almoast threw up . to this day I still get ill . but what a huge motivator to learn more about your taxes .

ya do it this way you not only make interest after the first year even if you think you know the tax system witch I did you WILLLLLLLL find many more ways to reduce your tax burden .

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Post by Trooper on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 18:25

Well this is what you call politics , rather it be the Liberals , NDP , or the Cons they will do things that reflects an Image of good faith towards the Country an even though they continue to get caught at it , they continue to do it.
I am no expert at the Idea of given taxable money to those who are raising kids , but common sense would tell me that if your going to dish out tax payer funds to help those family's , I would be concentrating on those family's that are of the low income bracket , after all it's all about the children , we cannot dictate how the parents spend those funds , but the Governments intent would be putting those children front an center - For those in the higher income bracket it's not about the Idea that just because they are better off they should not be exempt from receiving those funds , it's about helping children who's parent - or parents can use these extra funds to help out with their children.
On top of all of this HS , it turns out to be smoke an mirrors.
They came out with all kinds of public notices in the effort to better the relationship with Veterans , how many Veterans will benefit from that , and of those that do benefit from it , how much will they benefit from it.
The election is less than three Months away , if this is what the Conservatives have to offer , not real smart tactics if you ask me , an who is the masterminds behind all of this , that in itself should tell - or persuade Canadians it's time for a change.
The problem for me an I apologize to all you Liberal fans out there - in the event that you are a Liberal fan , I'm sure you all have your own reasons for that , an I most certainly respect that , but for me as much as I m fed up with the Conservatives , I would rather see the Conservatives any day over the Liberals running the Country , I would not say no to given the NDP  a shot even though I have some major issues on some of their policies in their election platform.
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Post by Guest on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 19:25

Any tax on my Orange crush?

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Post by Guest on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 20:02

Tired of drinking the liberals pi$$ and the cons vinegar give me an orange crush please!

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Post by teentitan on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 21:22

Well if you have been listening to your Orange Crush they want to include that Liberal pi$$ in the drink.

I for one defended democracy. A democracy that was either a majority government or a minority government. NOT a coalition of two parties.

Ask yourself this...if the NDP and Lib's form a coalition how many promises can the NDP keep that they are making? Each party has their own agenda so if the NDP want to help vets how can they when the Libs have been showing zero effort to help vets? Remember the Libs created the NVC, CPP clawback, VRAB. Do you really think they will destroy their legacy?

Did the Cons take way too long to start working to improve the NVC? Hell YES!!! Are they starting to improve the NVC? Hell YES!! Are they fixing their mistakes of closing VAC offices? Hell YES!

For 9 years I have been fighting to fix the NVC as have a lot of other advocates. The ball is rolling and improvements are happening.

Yes the NDP have put out a paper of promises for vets if elected. Well if they are so confident to keep the promises then why are they trying to form a coalition?

Another thing to remember when Harper rolled out this benefit for kids what did Mulcair say he would do? He would give $15/day child care. Didn't the Liberals always talk about doing this in the 90's? Oh the economists, the same ones that have been saying that Harper has to admit we are in the start of a recession, said this NDP daycare plan would cost $9 Billion annually. That's a big financial promise to keep. Hell $9 billion is almost equivalent to some government departments operating budget...like VAC's budget? Wonder which promise Mulcair will keep? All the families in Canada or less then 1 million veterans.

These are the things I'm thinking about when I vote. Who is being honest and who is respecting democracy?

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Post by Guest on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 21:47

Teen, forming coalitions within a parliamentary system is actually legal and normal. It was Harper who lied and tried to make it a dirty word. Harper has done nothing, nothing for our country , ten years of deficits a military that is falling apart, check out the article on the front page of The National Post regarding Harper and what he has done for the military. It's all Harper propaganda pure and simple.To be honest the liberals under Paul Martin did a lot more for the deficit and debt of this country than Harper the trained economist, lol, the new child benefit is BS , why give a benefit to people making over a 100000 grand a year, why does everything with these conservatives revolve around screwing the low to medium income people and throw every tax break at the rich. There's no way that Harpers getting back in, they thru there Tea Party Sarah palin The earth is only 6000 years old BS down to many people's throats for way too long. It tells you something when Alberta elects the NDP

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Post by Riddick on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 22:04

We can't assume the Liberals or NDP....or whomever will do worse than Harper. Harper is pretending to throw money around only to buy votes after all he thought taking vets to court was a good choice. Spending stupid money (our money) on advertising and useless surveys etc....etc.....etc......etc.... After 9 years he has done a very poor job and fixing the deficit and helping those who need help and I am referring to Canadians. He is awesome at giving money away to other countries who do squat for us.

I will take my chances with another party (ABC). The other parties are not blind to the mistakes Harper has and is making. If anything his failures is a very good chance where others will succeed and improve on.

Unfortunately campaign promises apparently mean ......nothing!..wow......I can't believe he has been our leader for this long. His picture belongs next to that guy who is just as bad as he is....George W. Bush...

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Post by teentitan on Thu 23 Jul 2015, 22:14

Navrat you are obviously from Ontario. All i am going to say about your NDP dream of Mulcair descending to the throne and Stoffer becoming the veterans messiah is do you remember Bob Rae? The NDP Bob Rae who drove Ontario into the ground with his propoganda BS to the unions? Do you remember Bob Rae promising to make a provincial auto insurance plan? Oh how did the unions react when Rae failed? Remember the province being so in debt that Rae Days were created to help save money?

And you are dreaming if you think Martin and the Libs did a lot for the deficit and debt then how about a trip down memory lane in the 1990's for the CF loving called the decade of darkness? How's about that daycare plan Martin and Chretien used around election time to buy votes? Did the plan even come to fruition?

I am not trying to tell people who to vote for. That is everyone's decision. I am just trying to make sure everyone is not going to think the NDP are veteran saviours. They are trying to get our vote and that's it. I will start to believe the promises to vets if they come out with a detailed explanation how they are going to secure the funds to keep the promises to us.

Yes I know coalition's are legal but remember if you think your saviour's in Orange are so great why are they already trying to form one? The damn writ hasn't even dropped to start the campaign. If that isn't propoganda maneuvering to have Lib voters cross over to the NDP then what is it? Oh that's called propoganda bullying. ALL parties use propoganda tactics Nav not just one party.

NO party is going to come thru on their promises to vets unless we hound them to give details on how they are going to secure funds to keep their promises.
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Post by Trooper on Fri 24 Jul 2015, 13:35

ABL .....Anything but Liberals .....for me anyway.

Check this out.....

NDP urges parents who don't need child care cheques to donate them to party

I wonder if these funds do get donated as it looks like some are going to be , does the person donating the funds still have to pay tax on it , as it is a donation ?

OTTAWA -- The federal NDP is encouraging parents who don't need the newly enhanced universal child care benefit to donate the money to the party.
The party's latest fundraising email blast urges supporters to follow the example of Ella, a financially-secure single mother who intends to donate her UCCB windfall to the NDP.
NDP Leader Tom Mulcair has promised that a New Democrat government would keep the enriched UCCB in place.

The fundraising missive comes during a week in which Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has stepped up his criticism of Mulcair for perpetuating a Conservative benefits regime that gives equal payouts to parents, regardless of income.
The NDP's fundraising missive cites an email purportedly sent to Ottawa MP Paul Dewar by a woman named Ella.
Ella says she was disgusted by Employment Minister Pierre Poilievre's "offensive partisan announcement" earlier this week, touting the boost in UCCB payments which parents started receiving this week in a lump sum back-dated to January.
She says she got her cheque but can't bring herself to cash it because it "feels tainted ... like a dirty little attempt to buy my vote."
"Fortunately, I am a well-educated, financially secure single mom and cashing this cheque (or not) will not materially affect my daughter's opportunities," she says.
"But feeling like my household's votes could be bought by some character in a Conservative golf shirt may."
She volunteers to sign over her cheque to Dewar or, if that isn't an option, to cash it and provide him with a donation.

The fundraising email blast, sent under Dewar's name, concludes: "Ella's not the only one who feels this way ... If you can, please donate and help build the campaign."
Trudeau said earlier this week he would give his family's new cash to a local charity.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-urges-parents-who-don-t-need-child-care-cheques-to-donate-them-to-party-1.2486020
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Post by teentitan on Fri 24 Jul 2015, 13:50

Trooper the recipient still has to pay taxes on the benefit but will get a receipt from the NDP as a donation that the person can claim on their taxes.

So the NDP had 5 years to build their war chest to be ready for a campaign and they are so short on funds they are "asking" (sounds more like begging) for parents to donate their child care benefit to the war chest.

Wow incompetent with money is what this screams. Wow this is starting to look like the NDP gov't led by Bob Rae back in the 90's....spend your way out of financial problems!!

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