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Post by 6608 on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 18:28

Well looks like Guy Parent is sticking around.......................

http://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/5808860-vets-ombudsman-reappointed-by-tories/


OTTAWA - The Harper government quietly extended the term of the country's veterans ombudsman on the eve of the federal election and handed out a series of appointments for an important, if often criticized, review agency.

Guy Parent, whose served as an advocate for ex-soldiers and an adviser to the veterans minister, was given a three-year extension to his mandate in a cabinet order dated July 28.

He was chosen to replace outspoken retired army colonel Pat Stogran in 2010 — a five year term, which was supposed expire in November without renewal.

The Veterans Review and Appeal Board saw three appointments on the Friday before the election, including a one-year term extension for a P.E.I. woman whose husband had once lobbied embattled Sen. Mike Duffy on her behalf.

Joan Walsh, a mental health nurse and respected health-care administrator, has been a member of the review agency, which mediates claims by veterans, since 2006, but her name — and along with that of her husband — surfaced earlier this year in Duffy's widely publicized diaries.

In a note dated Oct. 26, 2011, filed as part of the ongoing trial, Duffy references a lunch in the parliamentary restaurant with Island Conservative Leo Walsh "who wants wife reappointed to VRAB (Veteran’s Review and Appeal Board)."

Joan Walsh was reappointed in 2012 and again on July 31, according to cabinet records posted online.

Alongside Walsh, former New Brunswick lawyer Bernard LeBlanc and Ottawa resident Terry Prowse were also given slots on the panel, which has faced criticism from some veterans groups and the Federal Court in the past.

A spokesman for Veterans Affairs Minister Erin O'Toole said it was in the best interest of veterans to reappoint Parent and fill the three review positions without delay.

"Both the ombudsman and the VRAB serve veterans," said Martin Magnan.

"To delay reappointment of the ombudsman until less than a month prior to expiry of his term would be a disservice both to the ombudsman and the veterans he serves."

Magnan also said delays would have meant the review board would have fallen below its required number of members, resulting in delays and postponement of appeals — something "the minister was not willing to allow that to happen."

Last spring, the Federal Court of Appeal handed down a ruling that said both the review board and the veterans department itself needed to take more care in deciding on the mental health claims of soldiers.

The court set out a four-part guideline for both to follow and a spokesman for O'Toole said last month that the federal government would abide by the courts.

Sean Bruyea, a high-profile veterans advocate, said Parent's extension is curious and somewhat troubling, because the ombudsman was originally appointed to a five-year, non-renewable term.

Cabinet records posted online show that provision was quietly changed on June 5 to allow the term to be renewed.

Bruyea said a committee of MPs should be vetting reappointments and should be able to pass judgment on the record of incumbent watchdogs.

"The ombudsman should be selected independently, or through an all-party committee," said Bruyea, who questioned Parent's track record.

Disgruntled veterans unhappy with how they have been treated by the Conservatives, including the closure of nine regional offices focused on helping veterans, have promised to campaign against the Harper government during the election.

Bruyea said the surreptitious way the appointments and changes have been handled gives fodder to the opposition parties.

"It will reinforce the perception this government is trying to serve its own selfish ends."






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Post by pinger on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 21:14

Boy, what a news flash. No pip or squeak about it on the OVO site either. I bear in mind it was the con's who created the OVO to begin with. But hell, I was wondering who would replace him.

The timing is a co-incidence, but I give Guy Parent more kudos if he still has the heart for it.

Because he could have flat out... declined. pinger.
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Post by bigrex on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 21:18

Well, I will vouch for one of the appointments. Last week , I thought my old boss might have been appointed as the new Ombudsmen, but apparently, it was to the VRAB. Terry Prowse is a retiring CPO1 NESOP, and even though he was posted into the Ottawa region for the lat several years, he is still a sailor at heart.
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Post by Riddick on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 09:47

Although I have no reason not to like Mr. Parent.........I don't trust Harper...period....the guy can lie without opening his mouth, that is how good he is and by that time it's too late we find out after the fact......always an agenda/ulterior motive with him....he can need be transparent or do what he says.......how many times has he gone back on his word!! ya.......too many times to count.

I suspect Mr. Parent is back because he is favourable with veterans and that in turn helps Harper.

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Post by bigrex on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 10:09

Personally, I think that he was extended, because he wasn't combative against Harper, and puffed up any changes that were made, in spite of how minimal they may be.
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Post by Guest on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 11:14

well if the OVO supports the buyout its gotta be good right???? im wondering if the next government ends the buyout will he support that as well?????

lets face it they will never appoint anyone that will not support the buyout so not really a big deal I guess.

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Post by Teentitan on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 11:31

Well I know Guy and he doesn't support the buyout. it was his Office that did reports on how weak the NVC when it came to payment. The OVO was the only office to do an actuarial on ELB. The report showed how at 65 vets would be living under the poverty line. He fought for an increase to 90% for ELB. He basically was up Harpers arse to improve the NVC.

Does he like the buyout? Of course not! None of us do but his mandate was to work with the NVC and PA. If he was independent the buyout would definitely come out.

And lets not forget the 3 reports he did on language, VRAB and having a 3rd party law firm look at 150 cases that went to Federal Court where it was discovered 65% of them did not need to go to Federal Court.

Since those VRAB reports more medical and military have been appointed to VRAB. So his reports obviously resonated with the PMO's office.

One other thing to remember here his 3 year contract can be terminated at anytime. So if a new PM doesn't like him he is gone.

Just because a guy isn't bombastic like Stogran was doesn't mean he is a suck up. He did what should have been done since day 1 when the Veteran Ombudsman Office was created...do your research...hire a 3rd party to review your research....then report the findings.
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Post by Guest on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 18:11

If you look at Mr. Parent's Myth Busting the New Veterans Charter Lump Sum Payment he speaks of the lump sum an he writes that; “Under the New Veterans Charter a Veteran only receives a lump sum payment. There are no monthly payments for life.”

Then he goes on to say that it is false which I'm sure most would agree with him.

I too would agree with that , but what I don't agree with is using the other available payments in the NVC that are for life to somehow make the point that Veterans are fighting to rid the lump sum solely on the fact that they are misunderstanding the knowledge of knowing full well about these other pensions for life that are available besides the lump sum.

That is not a misunderstanding  at least from the Veterans , the reason I think there's so much negativity towards the lump sum is that in the old act there were also an assortment of pensions for life - or added awards to the pa pension for life an keep in mind that there all tax free for life.
So to me the assumption that anyone thinks - or is solely against the lump sum for thinking that there's no pensions for life is false.
The problem lies directly with the lump sum itself , I do not have to prove this as the numbers don't lie.

So in fairness to the OVO , yes I agree that there's Monthly payments that are available besides the lump sum but I disagree that Veterans - or a least individuals don't realize this , an that it is the lump sum by itself that raises the issue.

So unsure of what his perception was when he wrote this , rather it be to point out other available pensions besides the lump sum - or was he in any way pointing out the merits of the NVC which includes the lump sum , not real sure but the MVA also holds the same view , in fact many defenders of the lump sum seem to all hold this same view.

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Post by Guest on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 18:19

REALLY teen . wholy frickity frack he is the fracking ombudsman if something is fracking wrong he should speak up don't ya think????? how about the largest reduction in veterans compensation in this country and probably the FREE FRACKIN WOURLD ????? no ??? nothing !!!! what about if they legislated the elimination of ALL veterans benefits altogether ??? that would be the system he would be mandated to work within . would he say nothing??????

saying nothing to save his job or to keep within his mandate however you look at it, I GET THAT . staying in his mandate by pointing out OTHER PROBLEMS with the NVC without once mentioning the biggest and also the most expensive one I DONT GET THAT.

if pointing out these other problems is in his mandate CLEARLY the biggest problem is as well !!!

what I really don't get is not just shutting his mouth about it but coming out and CLEARLY and yes ill say it again CLEARLY fracking support it.

MYTH BUSTING

remember that teen.

you posted it did you read it before you did so ???

if not did you read some of the comments after the myth busting posts where he CLEARLY supports the buyout ?????

if he doesn't support the buyout but wants to keep his job he should just shut his fracking mouth about it .

better yet how about doing his fracking job and while making ANY recommendation how about adding this one ..........

END THE FRACKIN BUYOUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he is allowed to make recommendations ???? is he not ????

im sure ive seen him do it before !!!!!

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Post by Guest on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 18:30

trooper he used the same lines as the GOC uses ALL THE FRACKIN TIME. it actually looks like the GOC wrote this for him the augment is so similar if not exactly the same.

they love to add well there are other monthly benefits trying to muddy the waters thinking we are stupid or something , I might be dumb but I aint that dumb .

what they ALLWAYS fail to mention that those benefits are also available to the PA guys.

OVO do your fracking job or move the frack on!!!!!!

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Post by Guest on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 19:04

Welcome back there propat , I personally have a lot of respect for both the OVO an the MVA , both worked very hard for Veterans , but like I have always said there's some points that both make I disagree with , always respectfully of course.
It's one of those things where in the case of the lump sum it's very difficult to hold back frustration , but the thing is that the lump sum is unfair compared to the old act regardless of deflections from others.
And I think they can tweak things every which way around but at the end of the day until someone stands up an changes the lump sum into a lifelong pension , the fight to change will never end.
So I guess time is in order , we have gotten full proof that the Conservatives will not change the lump sum in to the way Veterans want it to be , so it can turn out to be a long battle , with this present government anyway.
So try not to get to upset about it , your not alone in your way of thinking , an by the looks of things there not alone in there way of thinking.
Disable Veterans who find themselves at a disadvantage with respect to the lump sum are the ones that are hurting as they know that if it was to be changed to a life long it would put them in a more equal position that was available from the old act.
Like you said end the buyout , but this government will not do it , so try an have a little patience in understanding that your not alone and the fight will continue until it is changed.

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Post by Riddick on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 19:10

I can't be too hard on the guy....... I am no politician but I cannot in all good conscience condemn him....... Was it him who started the "Town Hall" going from city to city....meeting vets, talking, educating, updating and going to bat for many of them/us? All his reports appear to me, that he sticks up for us......But what power does he have to actually change anything....his recommendations are done very diplomatically........ meaning one catches more flies with sugar than vinegar. His agenda appears to be on the up and up. Things are not changing as fast as we like, but his position is a huge influence. He watches his tongue.......and says "things are moving at a snails pace", he outright called many of VRAB decision "unfair". I do not know what goes on behind closed doors, but the fact that he is back in........we can say.......we know him and what he is like, and as far as I am concerned.....there can be a lot worse.

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Post by Teentitan on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 19:16

propat do you understand what "working withing the mandate means?"

He can only work with what is in front of him and unfortunately the NVC is in front of him.

So he has to work it to get the max for vets under the NVC.  Hence the "actuarial" on the NVC post 65.  That was his work.  That's what led to the RISB the widow's RISB and making the reserves equivalent to reg forces.  He saw the flaws with what was in front of him and researched it....sent it out to a 3rd party to verify his research....then he wrote the report...then the GoC fixed the flaw in the NVC.

HISTORY LESSON:

When the NVC was first rolled out 99.9% of veteran advocates asked "Where's the actuarial to prove the NVC is equivalent to the PA?"

The Ontario Command of the Legion asked it on their website and within 24 hours they were ordered by Dominion Command to remove it.

Don't you think the first thing Stogran should have done was do an actuarial on the NVC post 65?????  NO HE DIDN'T.  He failed the veterans by NOT doing his job properly.  You can't yell at the bureaucratic machine you have to fight it with what makes them work......reports....paperwork.....committee meetings.

Until it was thrown in VAC, the Minister, all Members of Parliament faces that post 65 was the financial death knell for veterans they did nothing.  That includes ALL MP's of every frickn' party.

He knows the buyout is wrong but he can't because it's not in his mandate, get rid of it.

The only way our Ombudsman can say END THE BUYOUT NOW is to be an independent Ombudsman with power to conduct carte blanche investigations to prove the buyout is wrong.

Do you understand what has to happen to END THE BUYOUT NOW?

A new bill has to be written, presented on the floor of the HoC, sent to the Senate, voted on the floor of the HoC to make it an Act.

Guy knows it....Harper knows it...Mulcair knows it....Trudeau knows it...May knows it!  BUT do they have the guts to do it???  HELL NO!!!!

Don't shyte all over the work our Ombudsman has done in the last 5 years because he's not screaming from the Peace Tower END THE BUYOUT NOW!

His work has paid off for NVC VETS.  Not all vets but at least the NVC vets are going to live a little easier.

Am I happy with all the work he's done?  NO.  I feel there is still a lot of work left to do but OUR OMBUDSMAN is caught in a quagmire.  

To make substantial changes to the NVC takes years, not days or months, YEARS!!  That's the way the beaucracy works.  It moves as fast as a snail.  Slow and leaves a trail of snot behind it that slows down it's predators.

A snap of the fingers that Mulcair, Trudeau and May thinks it takes to change the NVC is nothing but bullshyte coming out of their mouths.  And the poor basterd that has to deal with this bullshyte is our Ombudsman....whoever he or she may be at the time because they have to work within the mandate of the NVC.

If the Ombudamsn goes off the track and openly fights against the party about the NVC the same thing will happen to them as what happened to Stogran....you are relieved of your duty.

Remember the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.

Parent saw Stogran bark at the bosses and the OVO was not taken seriously.  So he fought them with reports and now NVC vets have some financial security post 65.
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Post by Guest on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 19:33

thanks trooper was away for a bit . your right of course seems there are mixed feelings over the issue . the GOC , MVA , OVO and even the legion to a point don't really seem to have much of a problem with it. PA guys seem to be mixed . the vast majority of disabled NVC vets have an overwhelming HATRED of it .

but it sure seems to me the politicians and political appointees seem to be getting there convoluted opinions' of this unholy fracking buyout out there better than the people that it ACTUALLY effects . especially when an an election is coming up.

yup not that I dislike these political appointees I actually believe they are decent people but every job or position I ever had I made it my mission to be the very best that have ever done that job and ALMOAST without exception I succeeded . pride in ones self ... pride in ones job. the biggest part of these guys jobs is to protect disabled vets . in that THEY HAVE FAILD MISARABLY !!!!

I HAVE NO TIME OR RESPECT FOR THAT!!!!

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Post by Guest on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 19:41

oh teen I fully understand what "working within the mandate means?" but teen are you saying that when he made the recommendation he did to change the NVC adding one more recommendation to change the NVC from the NVC buyout to an NVC monthly pension is outside his mandate when the others are not????????????

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