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Post by bigrex on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 19:58

The thing is wild thing, they are NOT reinstating the PA. They said that they are reinstating a life long disability pension, with the option to take a lump sum that is larger than currently offered. We are hoping that this new pension offered under the NVC, is identical as the ones offered under the pension act, but until we see the legislation, we can only hope. It would only make sense that it would be the same, because it would be weird having some veterans getting their disability pension tax free, and others getting their equivalent benefit taxed. Especially considering that there are Veterans out there getting percentages of their overall disability pension from both pieces of legislation.
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Post by Guest on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 21:01

It is going to be a mess 100% is 38 k peryear lets say 30 years for a 30 year old is going to be over 1mil still going to be less than pa because that person may live till 80 some years old still going to come up short by over 700k and what would the lump sum look like 2mil not a chance. the only way to have equality is reinstate PA that should have never been taken away in the first place.I see a gaggle "F" coming up in our future and more fighting. injury allowance is not taxed so tax should not even be considered by GOC. This is going to be interesting to see what they try to shove in our face as a consolation prize.

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Post by bigrex on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 22:32

The lump sum will not be that large. Maybe 10% larger than the current amount offered. The thing is, those that take the lump sum, do it because they are either older and would rather get money now, because you never know how many years they may be around, or gainfully employed, and do not need the financial security offered by taking a monthly pension. Currently the lump sum amount equals roughly 10 years worth of monthly payments. So if you're already making 60K a year, and you don't need that extra few hundred from a 5-10% pension, why not take a lump sum of $20-35K.

Personally, I personally like the idea of offering both, not either or. Meaning that the Veteran would have the chance to receive X number of years monthly pensions as a lump sum. Or even a certain percentage of the pension as a lump sum. Kind of like a pay advance. Then, after the lump sum amount is paid off, the monthly pension starts. Example, a Veteran is granted a 50% pension,equaling $2000/per month. The Veteran would then have the option of taking up to 100% of the monthly pension, for up to 5 years, as a lump sum. So if the vet chooses to take half of it for 5 years, as a lump sum, he would get an immediate cheque for $60000, to pay off bills or whatever. They would then still get the remainder on a monthly basis, increased by COLA, calculated based on the entire $2000. This would allow for veterans to make those big ticket purchases, like a down payment on a new home, but still provide them with the knowledge that there will be money in the bank at the end of every month. Then after 5 years, the pension amount is boosted to the full entitled amount.
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Post by Guest on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 07:28

ya if they make a whole new benefit that is in some way eqivelent to the PA it could take a while and turn into a real mess .

the best way to do this thing as I see it is just offer THEE PA pention as an option .

one line added to the NVC will accomplish this going forward .

maybe another line to cover the guys who have already been screwed with a line added to the PA as well .

that's it boys that's all it takes .

then they truly are reinstating the pension exactly the way it is .

simple easy fast.

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Post by Dannypaj on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 08:15

Always interesting when they change some functions in My VAC account.
This is a message posted on the VAC site.
Upcoming changes to My VAC Account
On November 17, 2015, there will be updates to My VAC Account. These updates will change the way the site looks and how you move around within it. You will still be able to do everything you can do now, and any documents you have saved or submitted will not change. We look forward to a smooth transition and will provide you with more information when the site is updated.

Thank you for using My VAC Account.


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Post by Trooper on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 11:31

I think the easiest an most simple way of doing this would be to take the exact same process of what the PA offers in terms of the assessment process of that Pa pension looking only at the ( PENSION PORTION ONLY ) of that pension.
This way those with a lower than %100 assessment can continue to apply for in increase in their assessment as their condition - or
conditions worsen.
Those how to mechanisms are already in place for all to see , an in my view the only difficulty they would encounter would be their own lack of understanding the old act itself which would I think show them making things seem more difficult then they really are.
I cannot see them taxing this in any way shape or form as the other option of taking the lump sum is tax free an further to this the lifelong pension from the old act which they refer to when they say reinstate the lifelong pension is tax free.
Taxing this would be challenged to the highest degree an taxing this would also be counterproductive in making it fair in comparison to the old pension act.

As far as those who have already received funds from taking lump sums , this again is not all that difficult to address , numerous ways this can be handled without making it more difficult then it really is.

This is the way I see it , an for me it's not as much the time it takes in getting it done , it's getting it done is what matters.

But there's always someone or something that makes those bumps in the road , to me it's only as difficult as they make it.
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Post by Guest on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 11:49

not exactly sure what you are getting at trooper but it seems you are saying pretty much the same thing I am .

im I correct .

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Post by Trooper on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 12:57

No I don't believe what I wrote is the same.....the PA pension is broken down into different categories which one part - or one category of it is the pension portion part of that PA pension.
This pension portion part of it is I believe what their talking about when they say reinstate the lifelong pension.
At least that's my understanding of it.
Therefor if I'm right bringing back - or reinstating the lifelong pension doesn't necessarily mean reinstating the PA pension as a whole.
It could very well mean only that a certain part of the PA pension which in itself is a lifelong tax free pension.
This would be more inline when comparing the lump sums to offering a reinstatement of the lifelong pension.

So no I don't believe they will bring back - or offer the PA pension , but more then likely would reinstate the pension portion of the PA pension which is lifelong an tax free.
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Post by Guest on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 13:04

sounds the same . still don't see any difference .

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Post by Riddick on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 13:14

I believe we need to be patient as right now pretty much is just speculation, however I will make a prediction and say; he will be the most approachable MVA. Like others, he still has the PM, but I will also say he will be given more latitude...... JMO

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Post by Guest on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 13:18

well Riddick you are right but you probably realise after 10 years patients is at a bit of a premium right now lol. I do hope he is given a bit of latitude .

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Post by Riddick on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 13:32

Yes propat....patients are thin and rightfully so.......however Minister Hehr was not involved or to blame and I know we all know this.......but if we expect things from him he should also expect something from us.....respect and fairness must go both ways and be reciprocated.

Veterans have been mistreated far too long, I am sure he knows this and believe he will do something about........I guess...."better late then never" may apply here.

Trust me.......I will jump on the band-wagon when it comes to voicing my concerns about myself and or veteran issues......but I also believe in giving credit when/where credit is due......right now .....I have little choice and will.......wait and see.........actions speak louder than words.

We know the power in "strengths in numbers" can't deny that after seeing the election results!

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Post by Guest on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 13:38

I agree Riddick ill give him time but time is a little bit of an issue . so I would really hope to see some significant movement on this by FEB 1st and I don't think that would be unreasonable .

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Post by Trooper on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 13:39

propat when you wrote this " the best way to do this thing as I see it is just offer THEE PA pension as an option

                           an this "  then they truly are reinstating the pension exactly the way it is "

I interpreted those sentences as you saying reinstating the PA pension.

What I was saying is that they won't be reinstating the PA pension.
They would only reinstate one part of the PA pension , which is not reinstating the PA pension.
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Post by Guest on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 13:44

ya no trooper if I meant that I would have said bring back the PA as an option .

instead I said bring back THEE PA pension.

the pension at the end there was not an accidental redundancy but actually what I meant.

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