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Post by Guest on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 08:41

thank you for that danny .

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Post by Guest on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 10:36

Thanks Danny.

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Post by Dannypaj on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 11:59

Scroll down on this Facebook page and you will see JT.
Press play and listen.
Just in case you missed it.
Kent Hehr shared it on his timeline.

Straight from Kent's Superior!

https://www.facebook.com/truepatriotlove/?fref=ts
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Re: Kent Hehr pledges to fix “overlooked” and “bungled” treatment of vets

Post by Teentitan on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 12:02

From the Globe story Danny posted......

“We have to review the entire playbook at Veterans Affairs with an eye to the issues surrounding our men and women leaving combat,” the Trudeau cabinet minister said in an interview on Sunday.

On Sunday during Question Period on CTV John McCallum said that the cabinet is in the process of meeting and discussing the Liberal promises made during the campaign. He said that on December 3 there will be a release of the 'who and what' is going to get done asap.

That said; Hehr used the R word which, in my opinion, means the veteran issues are not a priority at this time.

The Liberals made 3 promises which are budget items because it is an increase to the "operating budget" and start up costs are needed:
1. 400 new employees
2. re-open the DO's
3. the life long pension

So we have to see what is in the budget after the throne speech. I don't expect any movement on the reinstatement of the life long pension. That one is going to be a very complicated promise.

There was a lot of great input by members here but during the Review Hehr is going to do he is going to realize no matter which way he wants to bring it back there is going to be blowback from the bureaucrats. Hehr may try every way he can but the way I read this the choice is obvious to keep this promise....a merge of the PA and NVC. Maybe not the whole of both but a portion of each to bring back the life long pension.

Just make sure whenever you communicate with him you continually push April 2006 as the retro date. Don't let this be a "going forward" change.

I'd like to now address the sudden seriousness of the suicide rate. This was a very hot topic that the Cons were working on but the problem they had in hiring the psychiatrists, social workers, CM's etc is the Government hiring practice and procedures.

I have spoken about this with a lot of staffers, OVO, and various Ministers that hiring procedures need to be changed and changed immediately. The Cons at one time did try to change the rules but the blowback from the Senior Bureaucrats was the same as an atomic bomb!

Last week PMT (Prime Minister Trudeau) spoke to the Foreign Affairs staff and basically it was a kiss and make up moment. Yes the Cons were hard on civil servants but that was because they wanted the civil servants to remember they served the public not themselves.

I applaud PMT for doing this but at the same time I'm sad that he had to do that. NO PM should have to kiss the civil servants ass to get them to serve the Canadian Public like they should be served....without bias or contempt.

I hope that PMT can take advantage of the make up stage and get the hiring practices changed. There are a lot of professional people that want to help veterans and CF members but they can't believe the hoops they have to jump thru and, like us, get frustrated and give up.

Hehr is in a very tough spot and he sees that big ball of shyte starting to roll towards him. Do we give them time? Sure but no more then 1 year in my opinion. As long as we always remind them the retroactive date is April 2006 then veterans will get what they deserve.
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Post by Guest on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 12:50

dec 3rd hmmm about 3 weeks to here something . well just gotta wait till then i guess .hopefully what we here is positive .

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Post by Guest on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 13:13

I agree teen don't expect much before new budget in March but what they have to realize is the majority of those suicides are because vets are abandoned by the country they swore an oath to defend. And they were abused mentally for suffering an injury, and left unable to support their families And more or less told they were con artist and liars and should be ashamed of them selves for asking for benefits that should be a no brainer. Any bureaucrats that would fight this needs to be fired and their pensions removed as they are a discrace to this country and no better than hitlers henchmen. The only way it can be done is retroactive to 2006 it wont cost them much as most of the injured still owe time before monthly pension would kick in for them. Dont buy the cons caring they brought this nvc in and stole from disabled veterans probably stole the kids holloween candy bags when they came to their doors to.

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Post by Teentitan on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 13:19

Actually wild thing the NVC was brought in by the Paul Martin Liberals. Also it was created by senior VAC bureaucrats (all retired now) and brought to the floor of the HoC by then Liberal VAC Minister Albina Guarneri
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Post by Guest on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 13:26

well lot of blame to go around here . teen is right libs brought it in . i voted for the cons that year in hopes they would at least remove the buyout before they implemented it .

but nooooo they implemented it as is and refused to entertain removing the buyout ever since.

he made his bed and now he lies in it.

lets hope JT sees harpers mistakes and gets this thing done right.

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Post by Guest on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 13:28

Yea but it was brought front and center under the conservatives watch don't care what idiot thought of it just care what idiot put it into practice. their are lots of idiot ideas floating around parliment hill but not all of them are acted on.

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Post by Guest on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 13:30

I agree wild thing , the bureaucrats need to be dealt with an iron fist !

We need an MVA that stands up to whoever an whatever gets in his way !

We don't need any reviews , someone somewhere from the Liberals had enough knowledge to bring forward their Veteran platform , so fix it , implement it , an move on.

JHC , were talking about the head of the government coming out publicly once again saying that they will get it done.

The MVA has to get this stuff written up an has to submit to those writing it up that here's what I want , get it done an if you can't , I'll find someone who can.

I'm quite aware of some things taking a bit of time , but only during the implementation phase , they know what they promised , no need for any reviews , just get done , just like they the Liberals have said they would.

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Post by Guest on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 13:35

well it was obvious to anyone with half a fracking brain what a complete failure this thing with the buyout in place would be. but after 4 years tops it should have been obvious to anyone with the mental capacity to breath .

so they very well fracking knew this was fracked but the evil frackers did nothing for no more reason than money .

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Post by czerv on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 14:22

I wander why it was so important for VAC Union to congratulate the new minister for getting his possition.
If I remeber correctly, they have done it right away after the announcement was made. Hmmm.. I am confused.

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Post by pinger on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 14:27

Good question czerv, you don't want to know my answer.
That Globe and Mail article. I only now just glanced at it. You don't have to point out the “R” word Teen, hell it was in the beginning of that article.
Furthermore... “ We have to review the entire playbook at veterans affairs... “
Good Gawd! There's a make work project for the next hundred years. I remind myself to see the comical side of it because it's just too bloody tragic when we get serious most days.
But I'll try. Who are these senior/bureaucrats? Names. If they pxx on our parade on our latest ray of sunshine, I would think some of their names would be as popular as harpers or trudeau's. But I'm openminded... they got some higher purpose, oversight, or priorities I don't know about?
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Post by Teentitan on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 14:39

Funny thing about political parties czerv that I have seen over the years in both provincial (lot's of provinces I lived in during my CF career) and federal politics when it comes to dealing with the civil servants

Liberals give more 'power' to them to do what they want without following the Liberal agenda.

Conservatives don't want to take away the civil servants power but hold them accountable to do their job fairly and with 'conservative' consideration.

So civil servants don't like to be told what to do, how to act, follow the rules, use common sense when it comes to decisions, policies and respect for Canadians.

So the clock has started on when the "honeymoon" is over with the Liberals being back. Every reporter on CTV, CBC and Global are all saying it and have started their clocks.

But the same reporters are saying PMT is not following tradition and history. For example PMT did not appoint the person who came in 2nd a cabinet postion. Last year he fired all Liberal senators. So there is hope that "Because it's 2015" has the legs to keep on going over the next 4 years. And maybe, just maybe there will be civility on the floor of the HoC when discussing/debating a rule. Tired of the daily "shyte throwing" that has nothing to do with politics or the topic.
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Post by Teentitan on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 14:44

Pinger you have to remember what the R word means....delay, debate, de-rail, promises.

A review turns into the ultimate gong-show because everyone and their pet screaming goat has to chime in even if it isn't on topic/point!! And that's just the standing committee meetings. The Senate meetings are even crazier.

So like I said above I would love to see PMT change "how" to review the NVC by not following normal procedures/practices.
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