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Post by Guest on Sun 24 Jan 2016, 19:08

ya want a plan to reduce the number of homeless vets dramatically . how about this ????

END THE FRACKIN BUYOUT !!!!!

half of the most seriously disabled vets NOT getting PIA and supplement and what are they getting ??? the PA pension ???? NOOOOO they are getting the buyout !!!!!

a homeless vet comes in asking where are his BENIFITS and you talk about housing !!!!!

some of these politicians really got to pull their heads out of their buts RIGHT FRACKIN NOW!!!!!

how about doing what he asked so he can afford a place to stay ya fracking mooks .

the homeless problem amongst vets didn't start to grow till after the NVC and was predicted to happen before it was enacted .

NOW HERE WE ARE !!!

END THE BUYOUT AND END IT RIGHT FRACKIN NOW !!!!!

no more delays or political BS . ya have the legislation in hand already that can fix this thing properly and immediately .

so carry the frack on and get er done NOW!!!!

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Post by Rifleman on Sun 24 Jan 2016, 19:37

I agree Propat


END THE FRACKING BUY OUT NOW!!!!!

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Post by Ex Member on Sun 24 Jan 2016, 22:08

Average age is 52 for homeless there was no Nvc when the majority of homeless were released. vac denial plus sisip denial equals skull -- --ing. to crippled to work to poor to retrain and mentally screwed up and wondering why their abandoned the attitude was f it f them f everything PA was no good if you were denied,5 or 10% equaled f all. sisip held a dollar at the the end of a fishing line just out of reach and if you happened to grab it 9 out of 10 were kicked out of the boat to drown.  ptsd was not even in the vocabulary before 2005. The one good thing to come out of the NVC was rehab and ELB it just has to be mandatory upon medical release. To have that option decades ago would have eliminated the vast majority of this homeless problem today...... YES END THE BUYOUT

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Post by Guest on Sun 24 Jan 2016, 23:32

yup 52 . can you say Yugoslavia ? yup it grows after every conflict to some degree just how it happens . NVC buyout worth about little over 9 years of the PA pension . it was enacted almost ten years ago . the reason the problem is increasing and im willing to bet the average age is going down ,as it normaly does after a conflict, is in great part due to the NVC . this problem is only going to get far worse as time goes on as we are only at the beginning . would disabled yougo era disabled vets be more prone to becoming homeless given the buyout as apposed the monthly pension? just simple math really .

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Post by Ex Member on Mon 25 Jan 2016, 06:09

I bet 75% of those homeless now has nothing to do with peace keeping and more to do with being a POW inside Canada and by their own units and the general attitude and treatment towards their own soldiers when injured. There was a hate towards the injured that could only be matched in a pow camp the way we were treated by our regiments was sadistic and criminal there is no other way to describe it and when they were done with us we were like zombies wondering where the hell we were and  cowarding in the corner like abused dogs with no fight left in us. There was two options take it or retaliate and allot did retaliate in various ways. The hate soldiers had against superiors was as strong as any soldier has against the taliban and that hate is still strong today. Try fighting a war where rules of engagement say's you cannot use force to defend yourself. I have no love loss for the military and no trust what so ever just certain individuals so when i here "peace keeping and combat is the only reason for ptsd and homeless veterans i see red and call BS"""". In the future i see that being the case but no not with this average age. I told some of you's months ago there should be change for serving members coming do you's think that was coincidence Some of us fought a war inside Canada that will never make the history books and most will never understand or believe it could ever have happen within their precious canadian armed forces well it fkn did thats all im going to say and the amount of casualties will never be known because this story will never be told.

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Post by bigrex on Mon 25 Jan 2016, 06:46

The lump sum may not be a main factor with all homeless Veterans, but I bet it plays a big part in the younger ones. After all, they say the "average" age is 52, meaning that you could have hundreds in their 20's and 30's, and still have a higher average age. And unless they fix it soon, the lump sum will become a more prevalent causation among the homeless, as the money gets spent, even by the most frugal of Veterans.
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Post by Guest on Mon 25 Jan 2016, 08:28

look we may have refused to study this stuff but the Americans have been studying the crap out of this stuff for years . just google it they have loads of numbers . hate to use American stuff as it doesn't always translate but its the best I have so im going to use it .

without conflict the problem would exist people go homeless regardless it happens vet or not . so wild thing you are right a lot of the homeless would have nothing to do with a conflict and can suffer from PTSD without being in a conflict ,that I get ,not sure about the 75% number but ill role with it for now . that means that there was a 25% INCREASE in the homeless due to the conflict of that time . im guessing a lot of those were undiagnosed PTSD cases as we really didn't have a grip on the whole PTSD thing at the time .

ive personally seen them get rid of a guy with severe combat related PTSD without a diagnoses or pension or well anything at all for that matter from that era before his ten years ta boot . so return of contributions and see ya .

facts are buds conflicts increase the homeless vet problem historically speaking that's just a fact buds . and not having proper or any services and benefits for your condition greatly magnifies the problem.

so if the yougo guys or in fact ANY military from that ear had have had the proper diagnoses just that would have reduced the problem in the older vets .

but today is a brave new world because even IF you get the proper diagnoses you will still not get the proper benefits .

yes little to no afghan were injured released applied for and recived their buyout ALL within the 2006 calendar year and given the gust over 9 years this should last their should be no homeless vets from that conflict YET .

thing is that's JUST NOT THE CASE !!!

guys are still going undiagnosed and if diagnosed are burning through their buyout moneys at a faster rate than many would like to see for a variety of reasons .

so yes they are increasing the homeless problem already and have been for a few years now and will continue to increase the problem exponentially as the years go on .

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Post by Ex Member on Mon 25 Jan 2016, 09:09

I agree with all you guys! The buyout is a cop out! Really it's useless , a pension equals security and that's what all these guys need!

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Post by Guest on Mon 25 Jan 2016, 10:22

With regards to homeless Veterans the first step would be to find them...this has now begun an should be continued until all are found.

With regards to homeless Veteran prevention...I also agree with all the points pointed out here...they should take a serious look at going back to the old system of lifelong pension with a one time lump sum to get the Veteran on their feet...enough to get them started while waiting for their benefits to be approved.
If this doesn't suit those in charge then they should be looking at wild thing's suggestion in the automatic ELB for all those medically released.

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Post by Ex Member on Mon 25 Jan 2016, 10:33

I agree with every thing you's are saying the facts state at present, average age is 52 which means there is a hell of a lot of vets over the age of 52 back when there was no human rights in the military those men and women were forgotten for years and suffered horrible abuse and they are only now being recognized due to the afgan war vet's. Decades of irreversable mental abuse and neglect suffered and that is why we have to stick together for all veterans to have equal opportunity weather it be war,peace,or peace keeping saying that was caused by peace keeping is an insult for those of us who suffered by other means is what im saying did a female soldier suffer ptsd from a peace keeping mission she was on or the afgan war or was it the rape she suffered at the hands of some slimy sob in uniform on a military base in canada every soldier's story is different so let's not assume it had to be because of this or that it was because we were a soldier's who signed the dotted line and served our country and hold them accountable for the injury's all have suffered period.

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Post by Guest on Tue 26 Jan 2016, 00:50

what the frack ???? now I can agree with your nombers AS I DID !!!! 75% sure ill take YOUR numbers AS I ALREADY SAID !!!! as I don't know the true numbers as OUR government hasn't really gave two flying fracks in the past to keep track .

so WHO THE FRACK insulted ANYONE ?????

there are homeless vets out there because they are suffering from problems NOT EVEN RELATED TO THE MILITARY just a fact!!!!!

seriously I agreed to the 25% having to do with peacekeeping because that was the number YOU gave me but I actually think that's lower 15% top end . but im guessing and its a big role of the dice without the proper studies around 10 % . but again a shot in the dark .

but ya know if I said this ore that WAS THE ONLY REASON for this problem or the recent increase in this problem I CANT FIND IT ANYWHERE but if its there and I just cant find if I apologise for what I said as that WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE to what I intended to say .

nor have I seen ANY other post that says that IF there is please point it out I obviously missed it and would sure like to read it and possibly throw in a response .

trooper has a good point FIND THEM I get that . FIRST ??? I understand why you said that but disagree . we don't need a first or second step yada yada . we can do things simultaneously .

yes trooper I do get your point and why you said it that way just making a point that's all buds .

lets make sure they never become homeless from the get go.

at the same time sort out the ones who fell through the cracks to begin with .

yes for the guys in the past FIND THEM AND SCREEN THEM PROPERLY .

properly screen ALL members leaving the forces for ANY reason !

YA EVERYONE !!!!

if its found they have a problem caused by their service SORT THEM THE FRACK OUT PROPERLY !

if its found they have a problem NOT caused by their service point them in the right direction it doesn't take a lot to do a little research to find out who in the area has the most success treating that problem and heading them some literature and a pamphlet with an address or phone number or something and maybe even a referral pretty cheep and after their service the least they can do .

if no problem found then no problem .

and again I hate using American numbers but very few DIAGNOSED Iraqi and afghan vets that are receiving proper assistance are homeless .

BUT appoox 75% of the homeless Iraqi and afghan vets HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED by their military with PTSD and are NOT receiving ANY assistance .

yes im capitalizing diagnosed for a very good reason . because ALL cases DONT get diagnosed .

and for the third and final part its up to your own opinion .

IF you think the buyout is PROPER assistance on the compensation front then read no further .

if you think that the buyout WITCH IS FAR LESS THAN THE LEGAL CIVILIAN MINIMUM is not proper the you would have to logically conclude that part of the solution would be to ........

END THE FRACKING BUYOUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Re: Veteran Homelessness / Topics & Posted Articles

Post by Ex Member on Tue 26 Jan 2016, 06:48

Calm down Propat im in a fog so this will be short and dirrected to all members of csat... not every story starts with long time ago far far away. some start with once apon a time. either way the ending is the same BS.

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Post by Rags on Tue 26 Jan 2016, 07:17

I think you guys are in agreement just arguing from a two different perspective the same agreement.

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Post by Rags on Tue 26 Jan 2016, 08:02

My only issue in your arguments is one has to be careful how they use the words peace keeping and war. If you follow the definition of war all the conflicts are a level of war. To a soldier there is no use of the word peacekeeping that was coined and used by news media to make ugly messes appear neat and tidy. All conflicts we have been in as Canada have been UN missions.....even Afghanistan and the Gulf War 1 as they were UN missions.
    War....real war if you want to define it is defined and measured by the size of the Army you fight and the weapons they use. What the cut off is to say well thats too small to be a war.........is anybodies call. But to that lone soldier standing watch on a green line that has had no action for months to years to then be over run and have a running gun battle for there position for a few hours.....well that soldier was in his war! And in the opposite a combat team advance to contact chasing 4 or 5 running shoe wearing insurgents with a old grenade and AK 47s and one RPG from 1975 that wont work is not a war to the 100 soldiers who never see them running 2 kms ahead. The LAV Gunner that lights them up from 2000 meters with no fear of being fired back at at that range....well thats that turret gunners war for 5 seconds but for the other 100 guys who never see the enemy that day or the next week just dust are they in a war?
I think we have really screwed up the word WAR and PEACE KEEPING and our understanding of it and its impacts. Yugo and Afghanistan are the best examples of how we dont understand war and peacekeeping and the impacts of those on the soldiers that are the accidental tourists in the middle of it.

The streets are slowly filling up with soldiers that have fought there wars and now find after years of fighting the internal nightmare its now caught up with them. If you pay attention to your neighborhood you know who the homeless are. Keep an eye out ask around find out if one is a vet. Seek them out dont be the do gooder with the holier then though I will save you, like they are a lost dog in the cold. Reach out a hand as a fellow Vet look them in the eye Im a Vet too lets grab a coffee my brother. Then the real work starts.

Fredericton has no vets from my count on the street.......in fact half the people on the street in freddy are just begging change pretending to be homeless.

So keep an eye out ask around pay attention.

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Re: Veteran Homelessness / Topics & Posted Articles

Post by Dannypaj on Tue 26 Jan 2016, 08:52

Excellent advice Rags!
CSAT members all of your post are 100% on the ball.
Why are all these reports coming out now?
Because there was no awareness that this was happening and the ones who knew, either ignored or dismissed the problem all together.
An unmemorable time in history.
I pray that all will be resolved sooner than later.
Respect & Compassion, is it too much to ask?

Further more, EXCELLENT choice on choosing trooper as the forum master!
Congrats and so far your post have been excellent and very well thought through, outstanding!
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