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Post by Teentitan on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 12:37

Everything is a political spin trooper I'm just wondering how much it costs and who's paying? Is it coming out of VAC's budget? PMO?

Here's another thing to consider; these 9 offices are going to take roughly 125-150 people to run. The Libs never really clarified if the 400 he is going to hire is ontop of the 250 that were already being hired before they took office. That said did we just get lied to again about the hires and the benefits for vets? Because it looks like the Libs are only hiring enough to open the offices not take any pressure off existing understaffed DO's.

My CM came to me a few weeks back and I asked her if there has been any extra hires in my DO. She said around 5 CSA's have been hired. She was a transfer from Ottawa for a retiring CM.

I asked her if this is enough and she laughed. They are about 20 staffers short to meet the minimum for the amount of cases in my DO. She also informed me the offices to be re-opened are a priority.

So yeah trooper complete and utterly disgusting political BS spinning. So glad....so f'n glad.
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Post by Bruce72 on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 13:47

One thing that is still unclear to me is if a veteran has already been awarded a lump sum (regardless of the top up next year) will they have the option to opt into a monthly pension?
I receive a monthly pension under the PA Act, and have also received a disability award under the NVC. Personally, I'm not interested in a "top up" next year, I'd like a monthly pension in place of the disability award. It would offer me more financial stability along with my existing monthly pension and my PIA Allowance.

Anyone have any insight into this?

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Post by Teentitan on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 13:54

bruce72 you just "highlighted" one of the road blocks that VAC is trying to figure out.....merging a vet with a PA payment and a NVC lumpsum payment.

Each one, PA and NVC, has it's own table of disabilites when calculating injuries. So which one do they use? They have to weigh the pro's and cons of which one will give them the least amount of legal trouble.

This one little issue above is why the 6 vets on the panel have a confidentiality agreement in place.
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Post by Bruce72 on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 14:29

If each "system" has it's own Table of Disabilities therefore legitimizing all the disabilities in both "systems" why can't they just merge both Tables?

The uncertainty, of all of this leaves every veteran in limbo, when we should be getting on with our lives. How can the GoC not see that our lives will never be as they we're before our wounds and injuries and then to have to deal with all of this mess compounds the discomfort in our lives.

Insert cursing here!

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Post by johnny211 on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 14:38

bruce72 - Being in the same boat as you, under both, I also wonder if we take the lump sum top up, will that be VAC's out, for us recieving the life long if there is such a thing..VVV...
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Post by Bruce72 on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 14:49

Johnny211 - I have the same suspicion you do. That the "top up" will be forced upon us with a "thanks for coming out" from JT and crew.

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Post by Vet1234 on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 14:59

So what happens to EELB and PIA/A if they follow through with pensions?
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Post by pinger on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 15:25

I'm a dual client as well. To me the lump sum increase is one thing. Topping it up including retro is different. But will be very relevant compared to some sort of life-long pension to be announced. TBA??!!

The GoC holds all the financial cards folks. And their priorities are splintered.
That said, any new life-long pension will be very shy.

Take it to the bank because the writings on the wall. 2 - 3 years may change it though.

Just my opinion, pinger.

vet1234 wrote "So what happens to EELB and PIA/A if they follow through with pensions?"

Not to leapfrog but they should have to discern, differentiate, and explain their abortion... transparently.
Never happens that way though....
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Post by Guest on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 16:23

Just my opinion, I have no doubt the Liberals will bring forward a lifelong pension before their end term. However I must say that I have my doubts on the quality or the merits that pension will prove to be. There's no word on the progress of that pension, it's all silence which can only mean one thing, they know of the backlash that is coming once it's detailed, so they will hold off as long as possible and focus on other promises hoping that will sit a bit better when they make the announcement. Remember two things, one the pension can be anything as long as it's lifelong, two the bureaucrats are the ones writing it up, so all I can say at this time is hope for the best and prepare for the worst. My guess is that the lifelong pension that they bring forward will not be worth the paper it's written on, but it's only my opinion hopefully I'II be proven wrong.

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Post by Teentitan on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 16:33

One thing to remember about the top-up coming 1 April 2017 that ALL NVC recipients will get that have received a lump sum payment it is a court mandated top-up.

The Equitas lawsuit proved that the GoC from 2006 to present date have been low balling vets. The maximums of the NVC were proven to be lower then the national average.

That said I don't think the Liberals are that stupid to tie the court mandated top-up with the new lifelong pension.

One thing we all need to be prepared for is 1 April 2017. I can see the Liberals releasing the new lifelong pension at the same time as the top-up to put the political spin of we are treating veterans with care for Jane and Joe Canadian.

If the lifelong is crap the Libs will still look like heroes because they will definitely brag about the money going to vets even though it is not what they promised.
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Post by Bruce72 on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 16:48

But if the new monthly pension system doesn't stack up to the PA system of prior 2006 at today's rates wouldn't that create another lawsuit based on inequality between veterans just like the NVC did?

What is this ring around the rosie?

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Post by Guest on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 16:51

Exactly Teen, well said. One other thing that concerns me is the award top-up, it remains to be seen but from VAC with their example and confirming the example with VAC I think there's a lot of Veterans being mislead on the numbers with regards to the retro they will receive. From the example it is set at a flat rate with a Veteran receiving a Disability Award for a 25% disability assessment receiving a retro of $11,000. If this is the case the maximum retro should be around $44,000, and a 50% assessment receiving a retro of $22,000. I sure hope their wrong because those numbers are much less than was previously calculated by many.

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Post by Teentitan on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 17:23

bruce you now identified problem #2.....how do we make the lifelong match the PA without getting sued....orrrrr.....will the PA pensioners sue if their payment does not match the new lifelong?

From what I have heard there is a room at VAC in PEI that has no windows, one solid door, no phones and it's wrapped in copper so no wireless signals can get in or out. That is the room that the panel is in to hash out the details.

This is just a rumor but I also heard there is a company in Charlottetown that has an open contract to pad this room overnight on 2 hours notice. Johnny you live in Ch'town is there a company like this? LOL
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Post by Rifleman on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 18:34

And yes put them all in that room and throw away key

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Post by johnny211 on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 21:16

teentitan - I will go along with that rumor..lol. But I can tell you that I have seen Walt, DM, ex gen, down here alot lately. I can only hope he is shakeing the tree abit. But when there up that high who knows. A few days before our Distict Office was to open, I seen our local MP at a coffee shop. He said can you get a few of your Vet friends, injured or not to show up. I so hate being used as a backdrop for some politicial announcement. I did not pass the word along. I know alot of Vets have suffered with the loss of that office. VVV...
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