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Post by Guest on Sat 18 Oct 2014, 17:13

that seems like a good solution for sure big rex but id prefer something with a hard and fast rule. im probably just paranoid by looking at how VRAB operates or some DVA CM,S operate (not mine or at least the one I have now) I know how they are suppose to do things and have seen them do quite the opposite. it just makes it harder for these guys to frack you over with a hard and fast rule in place .

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Post by pinger on Mon 19 Jan 2015, 19:25

Was thinking for quite a while how past prime the legion may be for veteran’s purposes now a days.
I bear in mind some of you guys and gals may belong to a legion and might respect you if you do.
Never joined a legion myself. A couple of their SO’s did help me. Some legion members are very old
and highly decorated war vets with a full “metal” jacket and I respect that.

My sister volunteers at some legion hall somewhere for bingo days. She never served in the forces, just a nice person.
But if I was inclined to play bingo, Hell, I’d go to a regular bingo hall. A legion near me has spaghetti Sundays…Nope.

Maybe I should really spend some time at a legion someday. Ya know, get to meet the civies… I’ll really try.

But ain’t it more striking how the rcl has an impact to the goc?
And exactly what kind of camaraderie has that tasted like?

Just speaking out. pinger.
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Post by Trooper on Tue 20 Jan 2015, 12:34

I think early on around world war I, the legion was more military oriented along with military members family's and the RCMP.

It wasn't until later the Membership's were open to the general public.

I think it is the early years that has brought about how the government views and respects the Legions in general, that respect I think continues today regardless of the change in the general public becoming part of Legions right across the Country, as we all know the government continues to listen to what the Legions have to say.

Don't get me wrong - the Legions do offer great services to Veterans, and can speak on our behalf on certain issues, I think the problem lies with the Legion not embracing other Veterans group in what these groups are saying, it seems to me if the legion was not so Isolated within itself, it would be better for all in listening to what Veterans are saying regardless of them being a member or not.

In my own opinion, any Legion spoke person who is speaking on behalf of Veterans, should be a Veteran, and should also consolidate with Veterans outside of the Legion in hearing all points of views.

I know very little about the Legions, so my above remarks may not be correct, just wrote what I think as to what little I do know, and have seen lately in the Media.
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Post by bigrex on Tue 20 Jan 2015, 13:35

The problem with the legion, is because they choose to remain quiet on the majority of issues affecting younger Veterans, the GOC can use their silence as justification for their actions. "If the legion isn't complaining, then everything must be OK!" type idea. Or they use the legion's complacency, and need for government funding, to make widespread changes that affect almost 0% of RCL membership. Like the NVC. The legion signed off on the NVC, but how many RCL member have even had to collect a lump sum payment? Let alone a lump sum payment that is supposed to support them, and their families, for several decades. Probably not very many. So why should their voice, or in some cases silence, be more important than online communities that consist of the actual Veterans that have been affected by these changes? Does having a meeting hall, where they can sit around and drink with other individuals, somehow make any Canadian, more important, or wiser, about issues affecting Veterans, than actual veterans who would rather log onto a computer? If that is the case, why not let the Lions Club, or the Hells Angels join the advisory group. They have club houses across Canada.
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IN THE NEWS: Vets Shut Out of Harper Event at Legion Hall

Post by Riddick on Tue 18 Aug 2015, 08:17

For those that have read the article posted here on VVi

I am not surprised Harper did what he did to the vets. He wanted a captive audience by invitation only....those he believed would be voting for him.... and he got it.

He is just an OCD, hide in the closet chicken ****. It disgusts me to know he is called our leader. He does not want anything to do with us.....but wants to lead us??? talk about hypocrisy. He needs to be locked out of cushy office. His principles, values and ethics are not inline or in the best interest of Canadians.......or am I just totally blind of his leadership abilities and really just shocked he continues with the outdated Bobby Goldsboro hair style?

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Post by Ex Member on Tue 18 Aug 2015, 08:33

No Riddick you have perfect 20/20 vision. You know crap when you see it and we all know it is lying bulls--t coming out of his mouth.

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Post by bigrex on Tue 18 Aug 2015, 09:52

It would be interesting to see that invitation list, to see if there were any actual Veterans allowed inside, or were they merely using the legion to give the impression that Harper was talking to Veterans. More smoke and mirrors.
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Post by Riddick on Tue 18 Aug 2015, 12:32

True Rex....perception can be a powerful tool......

Perhaps he invited elderly veterans knowing full well 99% if not all of them do not use computers little own social media...screening would have been done.

Anyone on this site attend this private function or know of someone who did?

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Post by Trooper on Tue 18 Aug 2015, 14:14

I think for me anyway at this point it really doesn't matter how many Veterans gets to sit in any event that is held by the Conservatives , they can make their own list of invites , what are we missing - we know what they have done for the Veterans , an we know what they did not do for the Veterans , we know where they stand , so at this stage I don't see anything of great announcements coming from them.

What I would like to see is the Liberals , an the NDP start having public discussions about Veterans , if they want our vote they have to come out publicly an tell us what they will do for us an how they will go about doing it , specifics of course.
I realize it's still early an perhaps at least I hope we here from them before OCT 19th.

With regards to the election in general an the Conservatives It's starting to look like their in a bit of trouble with regards to their campaign ,  every event that Harper has brought forward , the Duffy trial reflects away from his announcements.
Canadians are watching , and he Mr. Harper refuses to answer the reporters on Duffy questions that are questions asked outside of what's before the courts , not real sure if this will continue right up until the election , but the reporters are doing an excellent job in what they are doing in allowing the public to see for themselves how their questions never get answered.
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Post by Trooper on Wed 19 Aug 2015, 07:13

Angry veterans launch 'Anything But Conservative' campaign

A group of angry Maritime veterans have launched an election campaign of their own, encouraging Canadians to vote ABC – Anything But Conservative – in the upcoming federal election.
Conservative Leader Stephen Harper was followed by a chorus of ‘boos’ from protesters, including veterans, as he left a campaign stop in Fredericton Monday.
It was a similar scene in Nova Scotia, where veterans rallied for change and more support for returning soldiers.
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Anything But Conservative campaign
While Stephen Harper met with veterans in New Brunswick, where he promised to boost the number of military reservists if re-elected, veteran Ron Clarke and his group launched the ‘Anybody But Conservative’ campaign in Sydney.
“They send them over in harm’s way to Afghanistan, Africa, all these other places, and when they come back they have no more use for them,” says veteran Clarence Dawe.
While Harper met with veterans in New Brunswick, where he promised to boost the number of military reservists if re-elected, veteran Ron Clarke and his group launched the ‘Anybody But Conservative’ campaign in Sydney.
“What we want is for the public to take note that the Conservative government has treated the veterans like crap,” says Clarke.
His group plans to launch their own television ads, lawn signs, mailouts and a Facebook page.
“What we have now is a dictatorship. If you don’t follow the party line, you are thrown under the bus,” says veteran Mel Bermingham. “As we’ve seen in the past, numerous politicians have been thrown under the bus. Us veterans are not going to be thrown under the bus.”
The campaign is in part due to the closure of nine Veterans Affairs offices, including one in Sydney. Clarke says the closure is just one of many issues facing veterans as a result of the decisions by the current federal government.

“What’s important to vets is that we get a fair shake from the government. We’re not getting that,” he says. “We need to see the sacred obligation reinstated into the Veterans Charter.”
The federal government did offer support for veterans in May, when Veterans Affairs Minister Erin O’Toole announced the hiring of four new case managers to take care of Veterans Affairs in Sydney. But Clarke believes that’s just a campaign strategy.
“Why would you personally think he would offer us four case workers? Because there’s an election coming up. He wants to buy votes back from the vets. That’s not going to happen.”
Veterans say there will be rallies held across the country and Clarke plans on hitting the road to enforce their campaign, especially in areas where Veterans Affairs offices were closed.

http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/angry-veterans-launch-anything-but-conservative-campaign-1.2522054
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Legion extends a hand to veterans, communities

Post by pinger on Wed 20 Jan 2016, 16:26

http://news.nationalpost.com/life/above-beyond/legion-extends-a-hand-to-veterans-communities?__lsa=78cb-ad3b

PETAWAWA, Ont. – A few dedicated volunteers in this army town are punching well above their weight, providing services to those who need it despite flagging numbers and dwindling resources.

Inside the Royal Canadian Legion Branch 517 and halls like it across the country, a beer, a game of darts and a few good stories are still the staples of an evening’s entertainment.

But beyond its doors, the Legion reaches deep into the community to provide services that extend well beyond the shrinking circle of old-time veterans for which it is most recognized.

Revenue producers like hall rentals, monthly breakfasts and Friday fish ’n chips help finance programs like a community band and a band school, while the Legion’s annual poppy campaign underwrites a host of activities and good works.

Besides veterans’ service, poppy revenues fund bursaries toward the education of veterans’ family members, including spouses. The Legion sponsors track-and-field and public speaking competitions among youth, as well.

“Each branch will be different depending on the dynamics of their community,” says Petawawa branch president Helene Hahn.

Veterans’ advocacy, aid and other services remain at the heart of Legion activities across Canada. But they’re especially relevant in towns like Petawawa, where a Canadian Forces base provides ready demand.

The base sprawls out from atop the main street and Local 517 is located right next door.

The Petawawa Legion holds regular barbecues for active-service personnel, where units can come and mix, regardless of rank.

It hosts support groups for sufferers of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and provides a range of community programs, including Meals On Wheels for seniors and an annual Christmas food drive.

The Petawawa branch has a veterans’ services officer, who looks after vets of all ages and stages, including new retirees who may need food vouchers or bill money to tide them over until they start collecting their pensions.

The national organization was a key player in bringing about better care for sufferers of PTSD, a continuing issue following Canada’s 13-year participation in the war in Afghanistan.

And it has raised the alarm over changes to the Veterans Charter, especially lump-sum disability payouts to retiring soldiers that now come in lieu of lifelong monthly cheques.

Homelessness has always been an issue among veterans, but in recent years it has been thrust into the limelight, largely thanks to Legion efforts.

Last year, Hahn got a call about two young men camped out on a nearby beach. They turned out to be Afghanistan veterans who’d left the military, taken their lump-sum payments, bought cars and partied until the money was gone.

Still without their regular pensions and no job prospects to speak of, the youthful veterans had nowhere to live and nothing to eat.

“We helped them out,” said Bob Howell, Hahn’s 1st vice-president and poppy fund chairman. “We got them back on their feet, steered them down the right path.”

The Legion’s flagship poppy fund remained consistently strong in Petawawa even as it sagged nationally, then took off after Canadian troops started dying in Afghanistan.

With those donations came huge Remembrance Day crowds at the National War Memorial in Ottawa each Nov. 11, the likes of which have not been seen in decades.

“If a veteran comes to us – even if they’re not a Legion member, that doesn’t matter – they’ll still get help from that poppy fund,” says Hahn.

“We’ve had people who are travelling through whose car broke down, they had nothing, and they needed something to help them through, food or whatever, we helped them.”

Poppy money has even helped buy medical equipment for area hospitals.

Legion operations, however, do not benefit from poppy fund donations. The bills get paid from dues, food and liquor sales, along with other sources.

Nationally, the Legion struggles with an aging core membership, rising costs and appeals for new members.

National membership is about 300,000, down from its 1984 peak of more than 602,000. The Petawawa branch has just 343 members, and many of those are associates, or non-veterans.

Volunteerism – at the heart of virtually all Legion activities – is on the decline everywhere. Hydro bills are soaring. And in Petawawa there’s a mortgage to pay and maintenance to be done.

“We fight to keep going,” says Howell, 67, who retired in 2008 after 43 years in the army. “It’s not a regular business like a restaurant or a commercial hall.

“We’re always trying to make money to survive.”

Liquor sales have dropped precipitously. The Liquor Control Board of Ontario used to advertise “One For the Road.” These days at the Legion, it’s one and go home.

Inside the building, there’s a kitchen and a main hall with tables covered in white tablecloths.

Downstairs is the lounge, with a bar, a big-screen TV and the requisite dartboards. The walls are covered in pictures and a cabinet displays memorabilia and trophies from 517’s glory years – euchre, curling, golf, softball and, yes, darts.

“Now everybody wants to play video games,” laments Howell, a gruff Robert Duvall lookalike whose deployments included Germany and Cyprus after he joined in 1965.

Hanging on the barroom wall is a photograph of the uniformed McConnell brothers, circa 1945: Lorne, known as Slim, James (Jimmy), Alexander (Alex), Sydney (Syd), Clifford (Cliff), Edward (Ed) and Redginald (Reg).

They all served in different units and they all came back. The last of them, Cliff, died in July, a month after receiving his 65th anniversary pin from the Legion.

It’s the mounting concerns for the living that are the focus of many of Hahn’s efforts. She was a navy medic for 27-plus years and more than 60% of those who served with her hospital unit in Rwanda – many of them new recruits at the time – now suffer from some form of post-traumatic stress disorder.

Hahn, the daughter of two Second World War vets, “pretty much grew up in the Legion” in North Bay, Ont.

She’s spent much of her adult life caring for others. At 50, she already has her 30-year Legion pin and remains committed to the organization and the people it serves.

Says Hahn: “The Legion has been reinventing itself for probably 50 years, because if you don’t change the demographic you’re not going to keep the people coming in.”
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https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1538799876419175&id=1501289610170202

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Post by Ex Member on Mon 15 Feb 2016, 17:30

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1538799876419175&id=1501289610170202

Is this a rant or an apology.My legion is 4 km away i don't fit in being the only vet in the area no Nav here and no fedora's.

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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Feb 2016, 18:28

rant and an excuse with no apology .

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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Feb 2016, 18:36

we will get the PA pension some day and we will do it without their help or support as we did with the SISIP fight .

even though they don't want us to have the PA pension like they had when we get it they will all be patting themselves on the back .

F tards

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