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Post by Recon031 on Fri 08 Apr 2016, 20:40

Thank - you Propat ...... I see the pattern , very much appreciated .

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Re: Increased Disability Award & Retro

Post by Guest on Sat 09 Apr 2016, 06:34

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Post by VRI on Sat 09 Apr 2016, 16:36

Propat - nice catch, I missed that. The word "from" makes all the difference.

The words in the bill say:

"....reduced — for every calendar year from2016 until the year in which the disability award was received — by a percentage calculated in accordance....."

If they were going to NOT pay inflation/increases on retro, it would be reversed. So,  something like:

".....reduced — for every calendar year from the year in which the disability award was received until 2016 — by a percentage calculated in accordance...."

IOW, the wording of the bill is for those who get their DA AFTER 2017. For those who got it before (i.e. all of us), this doesn't really apply.

So then, I believe we should get what the 2017 tables that correspond to our %, minus what we've already been paid.

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Post by bigrex on Sat 09 Apr 2016, 18:55

Actually using the word from, only means from the starting point, and can go forward or backwards. So IMO, this means that the 2017 rates, will be reduced by the COLA amounts every year since the award was granted. So if in 2017, 100% is $360000, so for someone given a lump sum in 2010, they will reduce that amount, by the percentages calculated for the annual COLA, over those six years.


So if the pro-rated 100% amount in 2006 is $290000

2007 - $290000 + 2.2917% = $296645.93
2008 - $296645.93 + 2% = $302578.85
2009 - $302578.85 + 2.5% = $310143.32
2010 - $310143.32 + 3.25949% = $320252.41
2011 - $320252.41 + 3.346776% = $330970.54
2012 - $330970.54 + 2.8% = $340237.72
2013 - $340237.72 + 1.8% = $346361.99
2014 - $346361.99 + 0.9% = $349479.25
2015 - $349479.25 + 1.8% = $355769.87
2016 - $355769.87 + 1.2% = $360039.11

So, if someone was awarded a 100% award in 2012, you can likely take the amount above for that year, and subtract whatever you were actually paid.

I thought, after the budget first came out, that everyone assessed at a certain level, would all receive the exact same amount of money, and thus removing the unequal amount of support received between someone disabled in 2006, and 2017. But the legislation makes it look like there will still be roughly a $60000+ difference even after these retro payments. That is one more benefit of the PA pension. It didn't matter if you were pensioned for 50 years, 10 years or 1 month, or what rank you had been, everyone pensioned at a certain level received, the exact same amount of money every month.
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Re: Increased Disability Award & Retro

Post by Guest on Sat 09 Apr 2016, 19:04

ya the DOJ really take pride in their wording . not in the understandability mind you lol but in word efficiency .seems to me they kina dropped the ball on this one ." reduced by the amount already paid for that award or awards" would have been more efficient.

their could be administrative reasons for righting it this particular way but non I can think of at this time make a whole lot of sense . im probably just missing something I think .

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Post by 1993firebird on Sat 09 Apr 2016, 19:38

It all just means more money and I am just so sick of all the money that I have been getting lately.

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Re: Increased Disability Award & Retro

Post by VRI on Sat 09 Apr 2016, 20:45

bigrex wrote:Actually using the word from, only means from the starting point, and can go forward or backwards. So IMO, this means that the 2017 rates, will be reduced by the COLA amounts every year since the award was granted. So if in 2017, 100% is $360000, so for someone given a lump sum in 2010, they will reduce that amount, by the percentages calculated for the annual COLA, over those six years.


So if the pro-rated 100% amount in 2006 is $290000

2007 - $290000 + 2.2917% = $296645.93
2008 - $296645.93 + 2% = $302578.85
2009 - $302578.85 + 2.5% = $310143.32
2010 - $310143.32 + 3.25949% = $320252.41
2011 - $320252.41 + 3.346776% = $330970.54
2012 - $330970.54 + 2.8% = $340237.72
2013 - $340237.72 + 1.8% = $346361.99
2014 - $346361.99 + 0.9% = $349479.25
2015 - $349479.25 + 1.8% = $355769.87
2016 - $355769.87 + 1.2% = $360039.11


How did you come to those numbers? I was pensioned in 2008 @ 100% and got $260,000.

And yeah, true that about the word "from" I see now it could be used in either direction.

As for your conclusion, you may be right, but I hope not lol. One would think that making a payment retroactive would mean that the effective date of that payment would be retriactiive as well. And if the gov't is saying that I was underpaid what I was entitled too back in 2008, wouldn't I also be paid the COLA increases on that amount?

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Re: Increased Disability Award & Retro

Post by Guest on Sat 09 Apr 2016, 22:32

ya VRI he is talkin obout a pro rated thing . ya gotta look at it right to left and bottom to top .consider the bottom right number the 2017 amount . he is not giving you the total amount deducted but the end result of the calculations you would have to subtract the amount recived from there .

in short he is giving you the value of "A" at 100%

bigrex I agree on the premmis AS TO numerical , geographical and so forth but using the FROM and UNTIL in actual timelines with at least one specific date given going backward WITHOUT SPACIFICLY stating it buds I just cant get their from here . not saying you are wrong just saying something ill be looking into tomorrow .

ANY example of this being done in this or ANY legislation would be helpful.

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Re: Increased Disability Award & Retro

Post by rucksack031 on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 22:34

Hey propat, I apologize for the late response ref the old mans lump-sum.
You were on the money, found another claim for 10% and when added to the rest as we discussed, you were bag on the numbers, now make sense, thanks old boy. Cheers
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Re: Increased Disability Award & Retro

Post by Guest on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 23:42

ya buds makes a lot more sense .

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Post by bigrex on Tue 12 Apr 2016, 10:05

Honestly, the chart that I put out, is the only thing that makes sense, and keeps more money for Veterans, with the wording that is in the bill. They talk about reducing the amount payable, by the calculated annual amount (ie: COLA), from 2016 to the year it was paid. So, to me, that means that they are NOT going to give the COLA payments that have accumulated since each award was paid. So that means they can either pro-rate the previous amounts, or subtract the COLA. But simply subtracting the COLA percentages from the new amount, would be unjust, because subtracting percentages from a higher amount, is not the same as adding the exact same percentage to a smaller amount of money.

Example $300000 + 1.2% = $303600, yet $303600 - 1.2% = 299956

So if they simply subtract the COLA from the $360000 maximum, the 2006 payment for 100% would be almost $2000 less than what I originally put. And honesty, $290000, is a nice round number, that also works well with the COLA calculations.
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Re: Increased Disability Award & Retro

Post by LostTrucker on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 09:18

FYI.....These are the maximum payouts for various years.....Note they are for 100%

2006 - $250,000.00
2007 - $255,729.25
2008 - $260,843.84
2009 - $267,364.93
2010 - $276,079.70
2011 - $285,319.47
2012 - $293,308.42
2013 - $298,587.97
2014 - $301,275.26
2015 - $306,698.21
2016 - $310,378.59
2017 - $360,000.00



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Re: Increased Disability Award & Retro

Post by bigrex on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 09:45

2008 - $260843.835
2009 - $267364.93
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