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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by srproctor on Tue 29 Mar 2016, 22:30

Just edited the post. I did say 20% increase. The ELB is not a 20% increase. It is 15%. Thanks.

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Ex Member on Tue 29 Mar 2016, 22:10

What got increased 20 percent?

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Post by srproctor on Tue 29 Mar 2016, 21:42

...the changes are most likely to come across the board.  

     With the increase in the ELB by 15%, the access to the higher grades of the PIA will also be revisited to reflect this increase of the ELB.  ELB's 15% increase foreshadows these changes within the CIA/PIA. Although it is not written just yet what the CIA/PIA & Supplement will be, the table is set by those changes to the ELB, so the access to the higher and perhaps the additional amounts within the grades, are destined for roughly the same changes as the ELB increase.  To have this happen for Veterans on PIA/CIA & Supplement, access will be granted to higher grades of the PIA/CIA allowance.

    That said, it is possible for those with the TPI/DEC designation to have their PIA/CIA & Supplement benefits exceed the ELB 15% increase, for the simple fact that all options are off the table with respect to the rehabilitation plan.  Access to the higher grades for an enlisted member, ironically, is roughly the same amount as those on a rehabilitation plan who will be receiving an ELB increase of 15%.  

    ELB is a benefit that is income & age sensitive and is now capped at 90% pre-release salary.  A 15% increase of this benefit from 75% can be topped up by either higher grades of the PIA/CIA, or from the ELB program itself in my particular situation, if I hadn't already been designated TPI.  So, the majority of Veterans like us who have a PIA/CIA Gr. 3 and the TPI designation, this couldn't have been offered to those on ELB without addressing first those who are not as likely to see the career earnings number as those who complete a rehab plan.

     It could be another 3D application (deny, delay and eventually death) from the local office, or a letter addressed with the changes.  I pray it's the latter, for obvious reasons.


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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by johnny211 on Tue 29 Mar 2016, 11:37

Proctor - Very well read. I am one of those, TPI/PIA level 3 of course. PIAS. I appealed my level but, it got turned down of crse. I quess it a waiting game to see if some get letters. God I hope we dont have to apply again for something else, or new level. VVV...
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CIA/DEC/PIA supplement

Post by srproctor on Mon 28 Mar 2016, 22:33

"Expanding access to higher grades of the Permanent Impairment Allowance to better support veterans who have had their career options limited by a service-related illness or injury. "

    If your TPI'ed/DEC'ed & Grade 3 or 2 PIA/CIA, then I bet it's automatic Grade 1 PIA/CIA with supplement.  Ya, I know what your saying, that's a bold prediction, but hey, whatever.

     The idea that a "diminished earnings capacity" designation is not first the highest level of the "career impact allowance", would be contrary to the above statement.  If the capacity to earn income has been been diminished by a service related condition (permanent and severe), to that point that it is not the highest level of the CIA/PIA first, it would in effect be deminishing only to the point of not being designated that next grade level (i.e. Grade 2 to Grade 1) and therefore cease being "diminished".  Allow me to explain.

    Grade 3 & TPI is the majority of the pool.  Guy Parent knows this too. Therefore, it is this movement toward grade one within the grades that government is looking for Veterans to access.  The key to this automatic Grade 1 would be through a TPI/DEC designation.  Regardless of the age of the Veteran, the career advancement and/or earnings per year would be negatively impacted by the condition.  For example, a 65 + plus retired colonel, with arthritic joint pain who practiced surgery for several years after their service, and can not continue because of an accelerated age related joint pain, would need help addressing their diminished earnings capacity.  How else would this be done if not through the higher levels of the CIA/PIA and DEC supplement?  For a younger Veteran, any loss in their career advancement would be addressed over the course of the Veteran's life, and the natural progression of their respective yearly salary-given their education and specialized training, would be applied to the corresponding CIA grade level.  Or maybe age has no issue at all, and its Grade 1 PIA/CIA with Supplement, who knows??

     On the other hand, the Feds might just simply re-write the grades, with a more career-centric emphasis, and move away from ADL's and the pain and suffering associated with the Awards and VIP/FCRB.  Then again, they might make one grade for everybody, or perhaps a bazillion more to complicate matters.  Maybe not knowing could be a grade level, cause waiting sucks.

     Once more, with $75K in rehabilitation services at their disposal for non-TPI/DEC on ELB, this is a cost effective option from their rehab. instruments only if they are able to see 66 2/3rd of the pre release salary for the sake of the Veteran.  That is difficult, to say the least, and perhaps impossible to foresee in the dynamic job market of 2016.  Moreover, they don't want to appear as though they are dumping the issue of uncertainty on another agency to handle.  Therefore, keeping their chips in the game of career impact policies, and not outsourcing to CDN March of Dimes as an example, is responsible governance.  Simply planning on boosting the taxable income of the Veteran, instead of asking an agency to take on the project with the hopes they are successful with borderline DEC/TPI cases is a good solution, in my humble opinion.  So it may come as a shock to some, but the gov't is really good at creating jobs for the sake of taxable income, so don't expect them to go cheap on us, especially when Veterans just wish to access their inalienable right to make a living for themselves and their families.

   I am both curious and excited to see what they introduce with this new bill C-12 having passed the first reading.  The government acted as promised, and after royal assent of the budget, the policies are sure to follow.  For those already designated TPI/DEC on a Grade 3 PIA/CIA, like myself, I can't see cut backs.

    Lastly, this new CIA and supplement structure is all about careers and earnings, like any good financial benefit should be, so getting it correct could take some time, but with the other measures introduced this feels like the beginning of something special with this government.  Needless to say, I am still trying to prepare for that sinking feeling in the seat of my pants in case I am way off.

   Any insight would be a welcome reprieve from this waiting game with Ottawa.

Take Care.

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by bigrex on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 16:44

Nav, they would not be able to reduce the CIA without changing the legislation, since the base amount is written into the NVC, and all the increases thus far are due to COLA. And it would be next to impossible to explain taking away cost of living adjustments, after they've already been made. The only way that the GoC could limit the CIA amounts, would be to artificially minimize the CPI for a few years, but that would effect a lot more than just Veterans.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Ex Member on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 15:46

Why do I feel like it is the calm before the storm? So many changes.

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Post by Ex Member on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 15:42

I also believe nobody will get EIA anymore. Because it says anyone entitled to CIB cannot get EIA. Anybody released medically from the forces has had a career impact so everybody is entitled to CIB which means EIA is DOA which means PA is heading to the bone pile. They've killed the PA , RIP, I wonder since everybody will qualify for some CIB if the rates will be lowered to reflect the high amount expected to qualify?

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by pinger on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 15:35

Hey bigrex, thanks for the comparative cherry picking at 13:55. Were lucky to have you around csat, no false flattery.

What stands out to me with these changed abbreviations and words is that it's all toned down somewhat. Diminished earning capacity SOUNDS a lot different than Totally and permanently incapacitated
Hell, I used to think to be TPI one had to be a turnip, comatose, or on their fracking deathbed.

So with everything staying the same, why in blazes just the change of name??? Distancing?
Save the ink, but I don't trust GoC most days.

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Ex Member on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 15:22

Who knows what will come about, really, but do you think anything will get easier? Something is up with these name changes, why change the name for the sake of it! Something doesn't feel right and a lot of people I have talked to seem a little nervous after this budget

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 15:01

Looking back at the benefits as it's written ,

The PIA was short for Permanent Impairment Allowance.
There was no PIAS , it was written as the PIA supplement.

Therefore the CIA supplement will be written as just that , the CIA supplement , and not the CIAS.

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by bigrex on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 14:42

True, but I cannot find any mention of the PIAS in the NVC either, other than in schedule two. Which is weird, since you specifically have to apply for it.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 14:33

OK Rex very good , got it.

Thanks.

I just found it odd that they didn't specify the term CIAS in the BILL when they specified the term CIA.

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by bigrex on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 14:29

According to schedule 2, item 1 is the minimum PIA/CIA, item 2 is the maximum PIA/CIA, and item 2.1 is the supplement
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by bigrex on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 14:27

Actually trooper, it does. It says "The portion of item 2.‍1 of Schedule 2 to the Act in column 1 is replaced by the following:


Career impact allowance supplement for diminished earning capacity"
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