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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Mon 08 May 2017, 14:53

johnny211 wrote:Trooper,  - I put a review in last wk on my CIA assessment letter. Its like playing a game of chance. But got to keep fighting on.. Do you know how long a review letter takes to get an answer nowadays? Tks Johnny
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Johnny,

I know your entitled to appeal, as far as the timeline for an answer I'm unsure of the answer. I would think it would be a Departmental Review which usually takes anywhere from 16 to 21 Weeks. In this particular case seeing that it's a new change and a reassessment review, they might have an answer much sooner.

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Post by Bruce72 on Mon 08 May 2017, 11:13

Ya I've got a buddy (my closest friend) who served in the Stan and was awarded a DA award and deemed TPI, but has never been on a Rehab program, so he doesn't qualify for the CIA.

I've always been confused by the need for a Rehab plan part of things.

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Post by Nemo on Mon 08 May 2017, 10:45

So I wonder of all the disabled veterans who can not work ....what % get the CIA. Maybe 5%?

VAC's site says 'The Career Impact Allowance (CIA) is a taxable, monthly benefit—payable for life. The allowance is provided when your career options have been limited because of a service-related illness or injury.'

They really need to change that blurb because the CIA is not given to the many that have had a career ending illness or injury. Even if you collect SISIP LTD and CPP(D), this does not mean that you qualify.

So this has nothing to do with career impact. If it did, then all who lost their careers due to illness and injury and never worked again would qualify and they don't.

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Post by Bruce72 on Mon 08 May 2017, 00:53

Ya it's in the same ballpark as my DA top up that is still being held up over a $79 overpayment, which I've already paid back.

The most recent info from VAC regarding my top up. "It should come shortly". When I asked them to define shortly, they said "within the next month".

Clowns the lot of them.

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Post by Vet1234 on Sun 07 May 2017, 20:00

It's crazy how we have "60" days to appeal, yet claims sit for months and months.
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Post by johnny211 on Sun 07 May 2017, 19:58

Trooper, - I put a review in last wk on my CIA assessment letter. Its like playing a game of chance. But got to keep fighting on.. Do you know how long a review letter takes to get an answer nowadays? Tks Johnny
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Sun 07 May 2017, 15:15

nemo wrote:And when I look at this..... I would never qualify even tho I have been unable to work for 20 years.... Cause I still have all my limbs....I don't have a pscyh disorder and tho I am useless for work, I am still ambulatory and feed and clothe myself.  So why call it the CIA when many that can't ever work again would never qualify?

Definition in Regulation

As per section 40 of the CFMVRCR, a permanent and severe impairment is:
an amputation at or above the elbow or the knee;
the amputation of more than one upper or lower limb at any level;
a total and permanent loss of the use of a limb;
a total and permanent loss of vision, hearing or speech;
a severe and permanent psychiatric condition;
a severe and permanent limitation in mobility or self-care;
a permanent requirement for supervision.

nemo,

That's only one category of eligibility, they are different categories of eligibility for each level of the CIA, and different categories within each level to be eligible. In other words if you don't meet one of the categories, you may fit into another.

But what I don't agree with is using the career aspect of determination for the CIA, the method their using does not reflect the overhaul situation that is unique to each Veterans circumstance in terms of career lost, time remaining to serve and age. You either have a level of disability, or you don't, career ending has nothing to do with it simply because if a Veteran is at this stage, career opportunity should not be a factor in determination being that the Veteran is already disabled.

As it stands thus far both here on the forum, and on other sites, the numbers are very low in benefiting from this change CIA).

In my own opinion I think what's really going on here with these changes and some of the implementations from the Liberals on our file so far is simply a tactic used to create future employment for the bureaucrats and also to hold a solid base for the Veterans Ombudsman. The bureaucrats run the show, they come from all stripes, everything your seeing as far as details are concern, are coming from them. The Veterans Ombudsman has brought forward many suggestions that have been digested and detailed by the bureaucrats and implemented by our Minister. So here's where I think the circle lies, you have our Minister, Walt, Guy Parent and the bureaucrats all together in this circle to form the Veterans file. The Advisory Groups and Stakeholder Summits are simply put in place for PR purposes, the only outside Influence would only be considered if the influence is already embedded in that circle.

Now there's some who would completely disagree with my beliefs, that's fine, I'm no expert but I have been watching our file closely, and I know the old pension act, I also see the tactics being used by the Liberals, the tactics are the same no matter which government holds power. I'm afraid our government is using us to protect themselves, protect the bureaucrats and secure their own futures, at the same time working hard to give the perception that things are changing for the better on the Veterans file. Things might be a bit better in some cases but certainly no major improvements and no comparison to the old tax free pension act. So far, I think this has been working real well for the government, they have succeeded in securing their futures at the same time leaving plenty of ammo to defend their progress, regardless of any Lifelong pension.

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Post by Nemo on Sun 07 May 2017, 13:46

And when I look at this..... I would never qualify even tho I have been unable to work for 20 years.... Cause I still have all my limbs....I don't have a pscyh disorder and tho I am useless for work, I am still ambulatory and feed and clothe myself. So why call it the CIA when many that can't ever work again would never qualify?

Definition in Regulation

As per section 40 of the CFMVRCR, a permanent and severe impairment is:
an amputation at or above the elbow or the knee;
the amputation of more than one upper or lower limb at any level;
a total and permanent loss of the use of a limb;
a total and permanent loss of vision, hearing or speech;
a severe and permanent psychiatric condition;
a severe and permanent limitation in mobility or self-care;
a permanent requirement for supervision.
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Post by Nemo on Sun 07 May 2017, 13:41

ANother thing I don't understand with this allowance is....why isn't everyone that is medically released and 100% unemployable and getting such things like SISIP LTD and CPP(D) eligible for this. Cause sometimes when I read about it, I would think that just because you receive those 2, does not mean that you would qualify for CIA. And yet, isn't this the purpose of CIA....if you can't work....you should get CIA. Just don't know how many hoops they will make me jump if I put in for this. ANd for the record i am under old charter with a VAC monthly pension but NOT at 100%. And I also get about $100 pm for housekeeping. And I get SISIP and CPP(D). ANd if one gets this, does Sisip then subtract the allowance from what they give you?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Bruce72 on Sun 07 May 2017, 13:36

Good stuff By the Bay!

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Post by Vet1234 on Sun 07 May 2017, 11:28

On topic, still haven't had my CIA reassessment done yet. The whole potential earnings capacity thing seems like an easy out, interpretation wise for VAC. My doctor says I can't work.... should be 0% but we all know VAC will use magic math and give a number.
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Post by Vet1234 on Sun 07 May 2017, 11:01

I've raised the white flag so many times in my marriage I don't even know where my victory banner is anymore. She probably sold it at a garage sale.
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Post by By the Bay on Sun 07 May 2017, 10:54

Thank you Bruce72 and Trooper! You both have been a big help in ending the 'War of the Roses' between my husband and I😂 He has raised the white flag and surrendered! Lol
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Nemo on Sun 07 May 2017, 10:53

what i don't understand with the allowance is why you are supposed to be approved for rehab when you are impaired enough that you are unlikely to work again.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Sun 07 May 2017, 06:16

By the Bay wrote:Hi Ya'll
My husband and I are having a heated debate regarding taxes on benefits for those who fall under the Old Pension Act. I told him that the CIA and the CIA supplement is TAXED regardless of Old Pension or NVC. He disagrees with me and said that 'The Old Pension and Benfits are tax free no matter when the benefit was introduced.'  Is the CIA & CIA Supplement tax free for those who are under the 'Old Pension Act?'
I am under the Old Pension and I never applied for any additional benefit except for my Disability Pension so now my CM is applying for all the benefits that I am entitled to.



By the Bay,

Your husband may be partly correct, I will explain;

Those Veterans from the Pension Act receive a benefit called (EIA) Exceptional Incapacity Allowance.

The New Charter Veterans received the (PIA) Permanent Impairment Allowance which is now changed to the (CIA) Career Impact Allowance and of course the Supplement.

The PIA / CIA were really meant to replace the (EIA) Exceptional Incapacity Allowance from the Old Pension Act, to those Veterans in the New Veterans Charter.

The (EIA) Exceptional Incapacity Allowance is Tax Free, the (CIA) Career Impact Allowance is Taxed.  

Both are for life.

Perhaps that's what your husband meant when he said all benefits from the old act are tax free.

NOTE: Those Pension Act Veterans who are not receiving the (EIA) Exceptional Incapacity Allowance and apply post April 01 2006 will automatically fall under the (CIA) Career Impact Allowance.

Those Pension Act Veterans who are receiving the (EIA) Exceptional Incapacity Allowance, are not entitled to apply for the (CIA) Career Impact Allowance OR the (CIAS) Career Impact Allowance Supplement.

Click here for info on the (EIA) Exceptional Incapacity Allowance:

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/services/after-injury/disability-benefits/exceptional-incapacity-allowance

Exceptional Incapacity Allowance Amounts:

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/services/rates#eia

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