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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Bruce72 on Sun 07 May 2017, 00:33

Grade one is the highest level of compensation. It is for Veterans with the most severe physical, functional and/or mental impairment—for example, those who have quadriplegia or require total care and supervision.

Grade two is for Veterans with impairments such as a single or double limb amputation, or who require recurrent hospitalization for a psychiatric condition.

Grade three is for Veterans with impairments such as those requiring chronic use of medication, or psychiatric care for depressive and anxiety symptoms.

However, there has been enhancements made to the CIA.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/help/faq/career-impact-allowance

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by By the Bay on Sun 07 May 2017, 00:20

Bruce72,
Thank you for settling my aguement with my husband!
I love being right but in this situation I wouldn't mind being wrong for once...lol
It would have been icing on the cake if it was tax-free! Razz

Does anyone know how do I find out what my percentage my 'Rating' is? Do they rate your disabilities when you apply for CIA benefits or was it decided when I was first applied for my disability pension?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Bruce72 on Sat 06 May 2017, 23:55

I straddle both the Pension Act and NVC and I receive a monthly pension and CIA grade 3 and the CIA  is unfortunately taxed, but the benefit is also for life.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/news/vac-responds/just-the-facts/career-impact-allowance

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by By the Bay on Sat 06 May 2017, 22:31

Hi Ya'll
My husband and I are having a heated debate regarding taxes on benefits for those who fall under the Old Pension Act. I told him that the CIA and the CIA supplement is TAXED regardless of Old Pension or NVC. He disagrees with me and said that 'The Old Pension and Benfits are tax free no matter when the benefit was introduced.' Is the CIA & CIA Supplement tax free for those who are under the 'Old Pension Act?'
I am under the Old Pension and I never applied for any additional benefit except for my Disability Pension so now my CM is applying for all the benefits that I am entitled to.


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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by bigrex on Thu 04 May 2017, 19:01

PIAS was limited to those of us who were completely incapable of working, regardless of how many years they served. CIAS, on the other hand, can be given to someone who can still work, as long as their income is less than 66+% of their imputed income.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Thu 04 May 2017, 10:48

Xnurse wrote:I'm confused by the CIA S determination. My CM says it's the same as the former TPI determination. How does that reflect the Diminished Earning Capacity? I'm not able to work, so I'm able to earn 0$, how is that not diminished?

It is not the same as the old TPI, the DEC has a different standard of qualifying then the old TPI.

Diminished Earning Capacity (“DEC”) means that the Veteran is incapacitated by a permanent physical or mental health problem that prevents the Veteran from performing any occupation that would be considered suitable gainful employment;

Suitable Gainful Employment (“employability”) means employment for which the Veteran is reasonably qualified by reason of education, training and experience and that provides a monthly rate of pay equal to at least 66 2/3 per cent of the imputed income of the Veteran.

Imputed Income means the income amount of the Veteran used to calculate the Earnings Loss Benefit for the eligible Veteran:
http://veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/2125

CIA Supplement Eligibility

The CIA supplement is payable to a Veteran who:

A. is in receipt of CIA (see the Eligibility section of this policy); and/b]

B. has been determined to have a DEC.

Veterans who have been approved for rehabilitation services may be determined to have a DEC. For guidance regarding the DEC determination click here:  http://veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/1971

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/2126[/u]#anchor57637[/b

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/1971

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Xnurse on Thu 04 May 2017, 10:12

I'm confused by the CIA S determination. My CM says it's the same as the former TPI determination. How does that reflect the Diminished Earning Capacity? I'm not able to work, so I'm able to earn 0$, how is that not diminished?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Thu 04 May 2017, 05:52

Artie Simm wrote:I was medically released after 16 years at 40%...so by CIA rules I lost 9 years of possible promotion/income? My claim is in but not yet approved, if approved where would my situation fall on the entitlement scale, as I have some but not all the criteria of Level 2...is it all or nothing? i.e. I can drive my own car, so that keeps me at level 1?

With respect to level 2, I suspect they follow the guidelines of entitlement.

CIA Extent of Impairment and Career Impact

A Veteran’s “years left to serve” plus the Veteran’s age at release, cannot exceed 60, which is the compulsory retirement age for CAF members. “Years left to serve” is the lesser of the subtraction of the Veteran’s years served in the CAF from 25.0 years military career or the number of years a Veteran could have served until compulsory retirement age of 60.

Grade 2: Lesser extent of functional, mental and/or physical impairment than those in Grade 1.

To determine that Veterans have this extent of impairment.

They must meet at least one of the following criteria:

Functionally, these Veterans:  

A require the physical assistance of another person with 50% or more of the tasks associated with transferring and ambulation (Mobility); or 4 Self-care activities.

B take an inordinate amount of time to complete transferring and ambulation (Mobility); or 4 Self-care activities

C have cumulative effects of limitations in most ADLs

D. requires daily supervision and is considered safe when left alone for very short periods of time, such as 2 to 3 hours during the day, or 5 to 6 hours overnight.

OR

Physically, these Veterans include those who have:

A. a complete and permanent loss of vision; or

B. irrecoverable loss of use of an upper and lower limb; or

C. a single upper or lower limb amputation at the hip or shoulder (no viable stump); or

D. double limb amputations, i.e. at or above the ankle for the lower extremity and at or above the wrist for the involved upper extremity (viable stump).

OR

Mentally, these Veterans include those who:

A. suffer from a psychiatric condition with persistent symptoms of extreme impairment of one’s ability to think clearly, respond emotionally, communicate effectively, understand reality and behave appropriately. There is overt evidence of the disease, chronic psychotic illness; or

B. suffer from a psychiatric condition which require long periods of inpatient hospital care or a combination of inpatient hospital care and outpatient care (greater than 8 weeks, cumulative, within a 6 month period); e.g. a full time day program; or

C. require recurrent hospitalization, i.e. greater than 3 times per year, without recovery.

OR

Earning capacity/years left to serve:

i These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.4% to 66.6% of their imputed income, and have a value of at least 6 years left to serve in CAF; or

ii These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.3% or less of their imputed income and have a value between 6 to 14 years left to serve in CAF.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/2126[/u]#anchor57637[/b]

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Artie Simm on Thu 04 May 2017, 01:07

I was medically released after 16 years at 40%...so by CIA rules I lost 9 years of possible promotion/income? My claim is in but not yet approved, if approved where would my situation fall on the entitlement scale, as I have some but not all the criteria of Level 2...is it all or nothing? i.e. I can drive my own car, so that keeps me at level 1?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Wed 03 May 2017, 13:08

cosmo12 wrote:Just received my review. No change I did too many years in the service I am disappointed their new rules are so restrictives

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On the old PA system they had the Exceptional Incapacity Allowance which was TAX FREE for Life. It was a fair across the board benefit that had nothing to do with time in, time served or career.

I certainly don't care for the new charter, the CIA and the CIAS seems to be a change that does not improve your chances of moving up a level, or into the CIAS.

Someone should create a poll asking these questions;

CIA level increased due to being reassessed - YES - NO

CIAS approved due to being reassessed - YES - NO

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Bruce72 on Wed 03 May 2017, 13:06

Sorry to hear that cosmo. I too was denied an increase and I am also disappointed in the new criteria.


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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by cosmo12 on Wed 03 May 2017, 09:09

Just received my review. No change I did too many years in the service I am disappointed their new rules are so restrictives

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 19:28

With the old pension act it was all about the extent of the disability, you could be at 100% and continue to work if you could.

The entitlements for the benefits were straight forward and not complex.

Whats happening today everything is categorized and very complex, it puts the Veterans in a bad way in terms of the added stress placed upon them for the assessments and application process, this creates a system that is ongoing for approvals and denials from applications.
It is not Veteran friendly, and creates an atmosphere of distrust and frustration towards the system overhaul.
It is all meant to keep the bureaucrats going in creating all of these useless changes.

I don't believe in using career as a determination of the level of disability one is to receive in an application for disability benefits.
Not for members who served in the Canadian Armed Forces.

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Vet1234 on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 18:40

I think they should compensate for loss of career and disability.  My career was cut short significantly.  90% of pre-release sounds decent on paper, but when you have 15 years left in your career, and 30 until retirement,  it really hits home.  I don't care much for semantics; loss of career progression is tangible.  If someone cannot work as a result of their service,  loss of advancement needs to be addressed one way or another.


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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 18:18

They are putting the emphasis on career where they should be sticking with putting the emphasis on disability.

Disability is what counts in determination as far as I'm concerned.

You have a condition or conditions related to your service, the benefits that are available should reflect the level of disability for your condition or conditions, period.

The bureaucrats are excelling in the production of new changes they are bringing forward, they are getting better at making things look better, and give that perception of positive change.
I don't buy it for one minute, they will not fool me in thinking what they have produced is better, or an improvement.

They are either going to look after disabled Canadian Veterans and their families, or not, there's no in between.

Those who are released without medical conditions, are good candidates for getting help in finding a career.

Those released or have medical conditions related to their service, should be compensated with benefits that reflect their disability.

This is just my opinion, no disrespect to those who are embracing these changes.

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