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Post by Ex Member on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 21:24

Just wondering , actually been asked a lot, because the new base line will be a senior private base pay will this result in a reduction of the monthly amount for some and us on sisip LTd do we even want the new rules?

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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 21:53

well buds its hard to say it all depends on dates I guess . the date your ELB became payable for one .

I don't really see a scenario right now but I do see scenarios where this increase will not actually be an increase AT ALL or 5-6 dollars a month .

anyone who was senior private or below upon release and their ELB became payable at that time can expect nothing extra , a few bucks extra not sure about a loss but might be possible I guess but if so would only be a few bucks .

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Post by Teentitan on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 21:54

About that new minimum of Senior Private Base I got this from the OVO:

From the 2011 RIAS on Bill C55: http://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2011/2011-07-09/html/reg2-eng.html

The regulatory proposal primarily involves changes in the calculation of the earnings loss benefit. Veterans approved for Veterans Affairs Canada rehabilitation services and who released at lower salaries will now receive a higher earnings loss benefit allowing them to achieve the basic income level of approximately $40,000. Severely impaired or incapacitated veterans also receive additional benefits, not addressed by these amendments, which further boost their income above this baseline to a rate reflective of their increased costs.

So prior to Budget 2016
Basic Corporal Salary = 4714 x 12 = $56,568 x 75% = $42,426
Senior Private = 4120 x 12 =$49,440 x 75% = $37,080

Now with changes:

Basic Corporal = $56,568 x 90% = $50,911
Senior Private = $49,440 x 90% = $44,496

If the $40,000 minimum mentioned in the RIAS is indexed at 1.5% per year it would be approx. $43K

Conclusion changing to senior private still meets and exceeds minimum salary necessary to complete program.

Everyone should see a pay increase but some Veterans may perceive that they are losing $6500 a year because they are no longer having their ELB calculated at a basic private.

Note as well that CAF has not had a salary increase since 2013 http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/reg-force-ncm-class-c-rates.page and when it does the senior private salary will further exceed the minimum salary requirement.
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Post by 6608 on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 22:01

Navrat, I believe there is no "reduction" just that the people at the lower end wont get the full percentage increase to 90% (from 2011- 2013 rates used now). I think the VAC bean counters figure they already got the increase in 2011.



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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 22:02

Teen, why in Gods name, can't they just come up with some rule that doesn't require you to down a bottle of scotch to get thru it. Just say elb paid at 90 percent of release pay with min amount paid say 45000yr. Oh I have to say you were right about the liberals , I've given up politics I don't believe any of them . Professional bull Its sad because a lot of young afghan veterans at the legion really believed the pension act was coming back.

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Post by Teentitan on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 22:09

Well Nav that is bureaucratic wording we are dealing with so simple is not how it works.

Basically this minimum floor is for new recruits, Officer cadets and some reservists.
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Post by 6608 on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 22:15

Teen, its for a lot of us already on LTD for a long time as well like i said many of us already got our increase in 2011.


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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 22:17

yaaaa nav for those guys asking you dates are important especially that when the ELB became payable . as neer as I can figure if it became payable in 2007 then they will be using the senior PTE pay level in 2007 .

I haven't seen anything changing that yet . hope I do though .

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Post by 6608 on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 22:23

Propat, all were increased in 2011 to the min rate so the dates dont mater........



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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 22:30

ya buds they pretty much do as per act and its regulation. you can read teens link above and it will tell you the same thing about the 2011 change buds . I prefer to go to the regulations for the act themselves but im sure that will explain it for you fine enough .

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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 22:40

here is the regulation as it stands today buds.

18 Subject to section 21 and for the purpose of subsection 19(1) of the Act, the imputed income of a veteran referred to in subsection 8(1) of the Act is equal to

(a) in the case of a veteran whose final release was from the regular force, the greater of the veteranís monthly military salary at the time of release, adjusted until the benefit is payable, and the monthly military salary for a basic corporal in the standard pay group at the time the benefit is payable; and


(b) in the case of a veteran whose final release was from the reserve force, if the event that resulted in the health problem occurred

(i) during regular force service, the greater of the veteranís monthly military salary at the time of release from that service, adjusted until the benefit is payable, and the monthly military salary for a basic corporal in the standard pay group at the time the benefit is payable,


(ii) at any time during Class C Reserve Service, the greater of the veteranís monthly military salary, adjusted from the date of completion of the Class C Reserve Service until the benefit is payable, and the monthly military salary for a basic corporal in the standard pay group at the time the benefit is payable, and


(iii) at any time during Class A or B Reserve Service, the greater of the veteranís monthly military salary, adjusted from the date of completion of the Class A or B Reserve Service until the benefit is payable, and the monthly military salary for a basic corporal in the standard pay group at the time the benefit is payable.


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Post by 6608 on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 22:48

Propat, it was not part of c-55 it was just a regulation change at the same time anyway when it came into force all ELB/LTD (at below the lower end)were topped up to the new basic cpl rate becoming equal.

here is the important part above in the reg paragraphs " and the monthly military salary for a basic corporal in the standard pay group at the time the benefit is payable" (which has not changed since 2013)


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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 23:13

really well buds that's good because the act and regulations stated above show that it did in fact go up to basic CPL BUT it also shows that that basic CPL pay would be from the date ELB became payable not the current date. so you made out good buds as im sure a lot of other people did whose ELB became payable in 2010/2011 AND the years prior where their was no pay raise as the amounts would be equal.

but I think their was a pay raise between 2007 and 2011 so at the time I don't think the 07 guys made out as well . could be wrong though as im not positive about the pay raise .

one thing I do know IS their HAS been at least one pay raise between 2007 and today. so yes the date your ELB became payable very much does matter .

ya see the regulations are right their for you to see and that's as they stand today since they were changed last to bump it up to basic CPL.

not saying they are not going to change the regulations to allow your ELB to be calculated using senior private at the current level instead of the date the ELB becomes payable but the thing is I don't see ANY indication right now that they will make that regulatory change AT ALL .

wish they would that would give us a raise every time the military gets one I just don't see it happening .

hope im wrong .

until then im just going to go by the regulations that exist today .

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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 23:17

BTW buds I get the fact it hasn't changed since 2013 but has it changed since 07?

THATS WHY im saying dates ARE important . YES dates DO MATTER very much .

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Post by 6608 on Wed 23 Mar 2016, 23:32

propat i agree with the regs they say since 2011 nobody has been below the base rate of cpl on ELB/LTD. and going to the new private rate at 90% is still above the 2013 75% cpl rate so no reduction.


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