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Post by Trooper on Fri 25 Mar 2016, 12:36

Change in the term of (TPI)

"Totally Permanently Incapacitated" (TPI)  has been changed to  "Diminished Earning Capacity"  (DEC)

Continuation of benefit

(4) If the Minister determines that the veteran has a diminished earning capacity that is due to the physical or mental health problem for which the rehabilitation plan was developed, the earnings loss benefit continues to be payable to the veteran after the plan has been completed or cancelled until the earlier of
(a) the day on which the Minister determines that the veteran no longer has a diminished earning capacity that is due to that health problem.

Examination or assessment

20 (1) The Minister may, for the purpose of determining whether a veteran may continue to receive an earnings loss benefit, require a veteran who, as a result of a determination that they have a diminished earning capacity, is in receipt of an earnings loss benefit under section 18 — or would, but for their level of income, be in receipt of it — to undergo a medical examination or an assessment by a person specified by the Minister.

Diminished earning capacity

(3) The Minister may, on application, increase the career impact allowance that may be paid under subsection (2) by the amount set out in item 2.‍1, column 2, of Schedule 2, if the Minister determines that the veteran has a diminished earning capacity.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Ex Member on Fri 25 Mar 2016, 13:58

Hmmmmm! What do you think? Trooper, to me it sounds like they want people to not be permanent! I get an uneasy feeling about this!

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Trooper on Fri 25 Mar 2016, 14:32

Sounds to me like their moving away from having to be Totally Permanently Incapacitated as a stand point in the qualifications of benefits , to a much lesser stand point of only having to be diminished as in the new term "Diminished Earning Capacity."

I could be wrong and others can jump in but this might be a good move for Veterans seeking benefits , as this could make benefits more accessible to them when applying.
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Post by bigrex on Fri 25 Mar 2016, 17:50

I agree trooper. In order to be deemed TPI, you couldn't be able to work at all, or so little that it wouldn't be advantageous. Yet diminished earnings Capacity might allow someone to work part time, without losing their benefits. Or it might include those that can only find low paying jobs, compared to a healthy person of similar training and experience.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by pinger on Fri 25 Mar 2016, 21:31

My Gawd! What the heck is going on with these new names?

To me it's all pre-meditated confusion. PIA is CIA, and now TPI is DEC?
It ain't simplifying anything, just the opposite.

I can just imagine the possible revised fine print in policy docs and applications.
GOC, VAC should not do this. It fracks us up.

A change is one thing. But don't change the alphabet.
DEC? Uhh no, sorry but my dob was... FEB
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Post by pinger on Fri 25 Mar 2016, 23:10

And btw, is it too much to ask VAC to send a LETTER of these changes to us?
Explaining. Dear Sir/Madam... abc is now xyz. It'll probably be in the Salute rag
sometime soon.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Dannypaj on Sat 26 Mar 2016, 08:32

"Yet diminished earnings Capacity might allow someone to work part time, without losing their benefits".
I worked as a Commissionaire for 9 years after being medically released and now that they have me in rehab and I rerolled the wool back up from over my eyes also being older and wiser, yes, your right, they have to be (the GOC ) very careful or face the possibility of being sued....with a backlash!
I have the paper trail and the medical records. My case is a gong show and like everyone on here, I will fight them tooth and nail.
They keep changing things up and they are doing it for a reason. I am trying to look at the big picture of all that has happened and hopefully things  are getting better and not worst.  

Bottom line......when a military member signs a contract and is willing to do another 14 years even injured and then is kicked out medically and honourably because they don't meet the Universality of Service, sorry for complaining that I was unfairly treated...guess contracts do not mean anything. ( I still could of been useful to the CAF, that is what I am saying), I knew my limitations and if I didn't come forward it could be my life and others in the CAF, so regrets "YES", but doing the right thing was what I did at the time (admitting I had a medical condition).

Friend or Foe, time will tell
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Totally and Permanently Incapacitated

Post by Trooper on Wed 02 Nov 2016, 14:59

Totally and Permanently Incapacitated (TPI)

Click on the link below to learn about the criteria for considering a Veteran to be “totally and permanently incapacitated

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/1971

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Dannypaj on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 07:56



BTW

YOUR administrative process = My med release and years of spinning in circles chasing my tail......nice system (i.e. VAC/VRAB and the long waiting period  .  it takes for ever for a decision and especially when you are blind sided with your first denial.

Just in case there is any doubt to my want "at the time" to be of service to Canada (mind, body and god forbid soul)....being a 3b release, is not enjoyable and was the most degrading form of punishment  for me personally...false hope and years of uncertainty.


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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 08:00

May mean nothing to someone else looking at the service date expiry, but to me it means a lot.

Maybe I can finally heal after knowing I am at my twenty year mark. What BS

(ramped you up for their own gains, eh!)

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Dannypaj on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 08:11

and who's to say you would of not been a General or Admiral, but you need to be in the right stream and kiss the right asses to get there.
Rename PIA to CIA? Okay, my career was cut short 14 years (3b med release)......no compensation until now? Wow, the math on that one.
Politicians,, please respect your veterans. Fulfill the mandate letter or continue to hear the out poor of disapproval from veterans......
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Vet1234 on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 08:36

Well I have my meeting to confirm my TPI on Tuesday. Not sure what changing TPI to DEC will be.. I moved through the ranks to senior NCM pretty fast, but still had easily over 10 years to serve. I'm frustrated with all the talk about 3B and Med release. I VR'd because I was broken and so was the system. My DA and injuries deemed related to service and duty... Can I get my release changed?? I've asked and asked and asked... no help. It's embarrassing to look at my docs and have to tell people I'm a quitter. Oh, and people ask all the time when dealing with VAC BS paperwork. So you're disabled? but then why wasn't your release medical? Priority hiring for 3Bs... oh, you quit, you weren't medically released. SMH
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Dannypaj on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 09:15



I've been sworn into it at birth, I swore into it as soon as I turned nineteen and all I want from Canada is respect! And for all of the soldiers who solemnly swear to protect and defend the soverinty and people of Canada..
Honour, Pride and Acknowledgment of our duty and sacrifices we've made will go along way.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 10:22

Totally Permanently Incapacitated" (TPI)  has been changed to  "Diminished Earning Capacity"  (DEC)

These changes in new names and perhaps  small changes in wording for application to be approved or denied are directed to the NVC Vet. My opinion now is they are going to try to get the NVC Vets approved for as many things as possible in order to actually bring the differences closer of what the difference is between the PA  Vets and NVC Vets.

They have done or almost completed ELB changed, my VAC account first time showed by ELB rate for the 15% while I am still on SSIP LTD.  Going to apply for a few more things, but not right away.  Then, the top up of this spring 1 April (360k - roughly 11k per 25%) which will close the gap between the two types of Vets very little.  I'm bitter now, no.  But  the playing field is still not fair, maybe the court case will fix more.  

I can see where they are going to avoid bringing back the  pension, make some happy, soften us up to accept a deal that's unacceptable to me.

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Post by Vet1234 on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:06

Skeptical wrote:Was informed by cm may lose elb eelb may not be an option this happened Monday doctor is sick of dealing with vac so am I. Same paper work over and over wonder how many copies are in my file.im over 100% have a small percentage in pa. Hence the name skeptical . Like the bill Murry movie ground  hog  day. Repetition  repetition  repetition. They must think I will heal if I do it enough.

I feel that 100000%
How many times does a doctor have to write the same thing on a different report/form/application
It's ridiculous
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