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Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:44

Skeptical- if you don't mind me asking what is your case manger saying why you are being possibly not eligible for funding anymore?

If it's personal or don't want to post, I understand. You can PM me if you like. Just trying to understand this VAC madness and help all.

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Post by Trooper on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 17:03

Skeptical,

Don't play into their hands, I realize it's frustrating when your being told things such as you maybe losing you ELB.
You need to continue to fight and never give up hope.
Regarding the ELB you need your doctor, or a doctor to state that you can no longer work or function in the rehab program.
This is key in continuing to receive your ELB.

It's a situation where you need to take certain steps on your own to aid you in receiving benefits.
Start with talking with your doctor, see if your doctor will support you, if not, you need to find one who does.

Lots of real good members here on the forum that have gone through exactly what your now going through who will guide you, help you and even suggest what is needed by your doctor.

So stay in the fight and never give up, ask all the questions you want here, that's what were here for.
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Post by Trooper on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 19:48

I'm fully aware of the Veterans on this forum, but I would not categorize them as the haves and have not's.
I would say that the forum has a mixture of Veterans, with a mixture of benefits and some who are full PA, some part PA and part NVC and some just on the NVC.
I always refer to veterans who are obtaining benefits as the ladder climb.
You always start at the bottom and work your way to the top.
It is true some get to the top quicker than others, some don't make it to the top and some hit road blocks on their quest to reach the top.
CSAT's main purpose is to come together as a team and provide info and help to one another to aid all disabled Veterans in their quest to reach the top of the ladder.
As it stands today, it is the NVC that is in place, therefore it is the NVC in which we concentrate on in supplying the info and help.

I personally do not care for the NVC, but there's many who embrace it and just want the ongoing improvements made to it.
You can thank the past and present government for this, they are the ones who have influenced those that approve the NVC and just want improvements to continue.
The fight for bringing back the one Veteran one Standard IE: Tax Free Pension Act, is fading among Veterans and Veterans groups. Again, the government and their bureaucrats have us all exactly where they want us to be.
Those that are fighting for the return of the PA pension are not invited to be part of the advisory committee, the bureaucrats are running the whole show and they don't want anyone getting in their way.
In my opinion the proper time to have tackled the return of the PA pension would have been right from the start, the very first meeting with our new minister, and ongoing continuation up to present day and beyond.
What we have now are divisions among Veterans and Veterans groups regarding priorities and standing points of views on the best way to move forward on our file.
At the same time, it really does not matter much as the bureaucrats are going to implement what they want, when they want, and Kent is going to give the green light in all cases.
So who are the winners? I would say the bureaucrats and the government first, those that are full PA and finally those who accept the ongoing improvements to the NVC.

In the meantime CSAT must continue to provide the help and info from what is in place today, the NVC.
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Post by 1993firebird on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 21:07

I am definitely a have and am very thankful for having it.

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Post by 1993firebird on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 21:08

Vaporize if you have it.

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by 1993firebird on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 21:08

LMFAO

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Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 21:24

Skeptical is right, and the frustration mounts with the NVC. I have wrote my frustration many time here, we need this to go public so people understand that the PA Vets are happy at the Civilian Legion. Yes, I have an acid tongue, I only wish I could have the floor at the stakeholders Lollipop love fest meetings. I have personally written Hehr three times , no answer back. I have talked to two reporters and yet my story is not picked up. My message for the 5 Nov Townhall Meeting I can only pray that it's read in full. But not holding my breath.

We NVC Vets do not struggle or bad mouth PA Vets we are only pointing out the in justice of creating two types of Vets by the GOC. The GOC are the ones that disrespect the NVC Vets, the new 15%increase to ELB in my mind was more designed for the NVC Vets to increase their benefits in lack of the PA. But in fact it just kept the gap at the same rate because all Veterans got the increase, makes sense to me. So, why does it not make sense to people that all Vets should get the PA. That's a Frackin big double standard. Good for some but not all.

So I continue my venting here and wish the stakeholders would quit selling the NVC Vets out. It's kind humility in away, truthful I feel like a second class Vet.

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Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 22:26

I'm a fracking have become I'm completely on the PA because of 30 days. if you are completely on the NVC you would be a have not . sure their is a mix out their as well .

the time to fight the NVC was when it fist came out for sure but their was few to fight it . those that were vets already it would effect the least relatively speaking . those that it would effect the most were in the military unable to speak freely . trust me I know . did a 45 min stint in the CO,s office with him and the DCO . him giving me the gist what I can say who I can say it to and who I have to run it thru first to get approved and the DCO rattling off crap from three different books QR and Os one of them . all over this evil NVC . ya they were very nice and polite telling me to shut up but they were still telling me to shut up .

as it stands today the PA is in place for MPs RCMP and the vast majority of disabled vets . the NVC is in place for the minority of vets . if you need ANY help with ANY of this we can help . you live near freddy NB I can visit if you need . at 100% I don't know why you are being what you are being told but it don't sound right to me ill tell ya that .

as for the buyout that to shall pass . hared more about it this year than last and more last year than the year before and so on . it just keeps getting louder because more and more people are effected by it every year and angrier because of the lengthening amount of time people are effected buy it .

the fight for this is only getting stronger and stronger among NVC vets and in turn amongst vets as a whole due to the fact more and more NVC vets are coming into the system . among vets orgs they no longer matter . their was little support to fight the buyout or NVC from the get go frack at least one was actively promoting it but then again they were all run by PA vets . now you have one in the CVA fighting it and fighting it hard and the guy running it is a PA vet no less as most are mind you .

some day they will all be run by NVC vets but victory will come long before that .

the world will turn my friend stay strong .

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Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 22:28

you are in fact correct . the two plans don't even come close .

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Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 23:01

Good words Propat.

I just posted on the Veterans Affairs Canada website on Facebook, I wonder if it will stay up?

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 23:09

thanks steelgunner . not long I'm guessing buds not long .

cant have valid arguments against the buyout in the forefront of a website without finding some retarded reason to bury it .

ya know what I'm saying ???

always question authority

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Guest on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 06:16

you are right buds . not only is their a huge financial gap PA is far less stressful .

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Post by bigrex on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 07:10

Other than the compensation for the actual disability (monthly pension vs LSA), some aspects of the NVC are slightly better than strictly just the PA. The ELB is less restrictive than SISIP. It isn't limited to 24 months, and can be applied for several times. PIA/PIAS is better than the EIA, even if it is taxed, because it is not limited to those awarded at 100% or higher. I wish that these benefits had merely been added to to the PA, but we all know that the NVC, as a whole, was designed to save money, since so few Veterans actually qualify for the new benefits.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Dannypaj on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 07:52

Skeptical wrote:Any way point is nvc vets suffer more stress it not healthy to always be worrying about your monthly income being taken away or being scared every time your cm calls. That is the difference between us. They cannot call tomorrow and tell you your parents entitlement has changed now you have to jump threw this hoop. Case and point Warning nvc can cause serious injury or death.

Exactly my thought from the get go! ask my CMO or the rest of the team, utter frustration knowing a carrot is THE NVC, which can be removed at the Minister's direction......
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Dannypaj on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 08:05

And as we know more and more of us are falling under the NVC.
New applicants are now realizing, simply do the math.
But, it comes down to the NVC not being concrete like the P.A.....is that not the argument here?

We all deserve a concrete message stating once your transitioning from DND and the NVC suits are being emplaced, that the suits of benefits provided under the NVC must remain in place in accordance to the Sacred Obligation...A veteran is a veteran is a veteran.
Call it the P.A call it the NVC...a soldier wants assurance, not insurance!

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