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Post by 1993firebird on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 10:44

Everyone just take a deep breath and relax. It took me 14 years to get everything that I was told that I am entitled to receive. The problem is entitled does not mean automatic when it comes to people and money.

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Post by Dannypaj on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 09:30

BZ sir, I commend you in helping veterans RIP. This gesture of respect by one individual in a large society like ours goes along way and especially with social media.
Selfless and given back, that is respect, Thanks.
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Post by Guest on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 06:22

thanks buds I appreciate that but I'm no advocate . the way I see some advocates act and behave I really wouldn't want to have that label . all I do is help out vets in my area when I can and offer a little advice and opinion on a few vets sights here and their . thing is it makes me feel good to do so especially when I see people get the help or benefits they need and have earned so in a way a little selfish , but nothing wrong with that I think .

when I see advocates or hand picked advocates and well others asked for recommendations and instead of giving the GOC the one recommendation that cant be minimalized and would bring equality and fairness back to the system and forces the GOC into a yes or no response I get a little angry .

when I realize these advocates are mostly PA vets that decide instead of that one obvious and clear recommendation that would not put a single dime in their own pockets they come up with a pile of recommendation's that will instead . to me that goes beyond selfish that's fracking greed .

should PA vets have more ???? sure they are vets after all I say the world to them my friend to ALL vets. BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR THAT !!!!! no fracking way not till equality and fairness is brought back to the system .

I guy asked here not that long ago when is enough enough ? great question ? for me right now as a PA vet enough already at least for now ? yup PA vets got problems for sure say VRAB for one . its fine to have a good benefits package but if your being denied these benefits you earned and deserve for no good reason then what's the point .

of cores NVC vets have this same problem with a relatively shyte benefits package ta boot .

first and foremost we need an equal and fair benefits package for ALL !!!!!!

then instead of being divided , fragmented and easily turned against each other by the GOC we could fight together to ensure everyone one who should be getting benefits actually does .

we can move on from there .

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Post by czerv on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 08:57

This is a job creation exercise for VAC. More paper work/ "control" of a veteran, more job openings for them. Also, makes them feel important .... not to mention all the politicians, retired generals who get those positions, etc., etc.

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Post by Guest on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 08:39

well bigrex that's the issue . the compensation for disabilities . this is the fight . the PA pension .

actually bigrex IN PRACTICE the new benefits were added to the PA but only for PA guys . NVC guys had to trade the PA pension to get them . what a crapy trade that was .

imagine always having something coming in you can rely on the rest of your life weather it be a little or a lot . tax free ta boot . no one taking it away and once granted no more paperwork to re-up . talk about stress relief . go to school go to work no matter you don't need to report it or fill out anything and no one takes it away or reduces it for simply carrying on with life because that's what you do you just carry on with life no fracking headaches .

if your only monthly income is the new benefits its like a whole other planet . conditions paperwork and crap that you know if something goes wrong you are fracked .

its fracking insanity is what it is.

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Post by Dannypaj on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 08:35


Clarify "Maybe payable" would be a start, why cause the stress. Neutral
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Post by Dannypaj on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 08:33

Not sure if this on CSAT, but if not here it is.

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2015/2015-04-08/html/sor-dors69-eng.php

The earnings loss benefit is provided in recognition of the economic impacts of a career ending and/or service-related health problem on a veteran’s ability to earn income following release from the military. For a veteran who, despite all efforts at rehabilitation, is unable to pursue suitable gainful employment due to his/her eligible health problem, the earnings loss benefit may be payable until age 65 (when they may qualify for VAC, or other, retirement benefits). The amount of earnings loss benefit is calculated using 90% of the veteran’s monthly “imputed income,” as defined in the Regulations, minus certain income offsets (e.g. employment earnings, retirement income and other income). This amount is also used in determining the earnings loss benefit paid to eligible survivors and orphans.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Dannypaj on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 08:05

And as we know more and more of us are falling under the NVC.
New applicants are now realizing, simply do the math.
But, it comes down to the NVC not being concrete like the P.A.....is that not the argument here?

We all deserve a concrete message stating once your transitioning from DND and the NVC suits are being emplaced, that the suits of benefits provided under the NVC must remain in place in accordance to the Sacred Obligation...A veteran is a veteran is a veteran.  
Call it the P.A call it the NVC...a soldier wants assurance, not insurance!

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Post by Dannypaj on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 07:52

Skeptical wrote:Any way point is nvc vets suffer more stress it not healthy  to always be worrying  about your monthly income being taken away or being scared every time your cm calls. That is the difference between us. They cannot call tomorrow and tell you your parents entitlement has changed now you have to jump threw this hoop. Case and point Warning  nvc can cause serious injury or death.

Exactly my thought from the get go! ask my CMO or the rest of the team, utter frustration knowing a carrot is THE NVC, which can be removed at the Minister's direction......
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by bigrex on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 07:10

Other than the compensation for the actual disability (monthly pension vs LSA), some aspects of the NVC are slightly better than strictly just the PA. The ELB is less restrictive than SISIP. It isn't limited to 24 months, and can be applied for several times. PIA/PIAS is better than the EIA, even if it is taxed, because it is not limited to those awarded at 100% or higher. I wish that these benefits had merely been added to to the PA, but we all know that the NVC, as a whole, was designed to save money, since so few Veterans actually qualify for the new benefits.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Guest on Fri 04 Nov 2016, 06:16

you are right buds . not only is their a huge financial gap PA is far less stressful .

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Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 23:09

thanks steelgunner . not long I'm guessing buds not long .

cant have valid arguments against the buyout in the forefront of a website without finding some retarded reason to bury it .

ya know what I'm saying ???

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Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 23:01

Good words Propat.

I just posted on the Veterans Affairs Canada website on Facebook, I wonder if it will stay up?

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Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 22:28

you are in fact correct . the two plans don't even come close .

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Post by Guest on Thu 03 Nov 2016, 22:26

I'm a fracking have become I'm completely on the PA because of 30 days. if you are completely on the NVC you would be a have not . sure their is a mix out their as well .

the time to fight the NVC was when it fist came out for sure but their was few to fight it . those that were vets already it would effect the least relatively speaking . those that it would effect the most were in the military unable to speak freely . trust me I know . did a 45 min stint in the CO,s office with him and the DCO . him giving me the gist what I can say who I can say it to and who I have to run it thru first to get approved and the DCO rattling off crap from three different books QR and Os one of them . all over this evil NVC . ya they were very nice and polite telling me to shut up but they were still telling me to shut up .

as it stands today the PA is in place for MPs RCMP and the vast majority of disabled vets . the NVC is in place for the minority of vets . if you need ANY help with ANY of this we can help . you live near freddy NB I can visit if you need . at 100% I don't know why you are being what you are being told but it don't sound right to me ill tell ya that .

as for the buyout that to shall pass . hared more about it this year than last and more last year than the year before and so on . it just keeps getting louder because more and more people are effected by it every year and angrier because of the lengthening amount of time people are effected buy it .

the fight for this is only getting stronger and stronger among NVC vets and in turn amongst vets as a whole due to the fact more and more NVC vets are coming into the system . among vets orgs they no longer matter . their was little support to fight the buyout or NVC from the get go frack at least one was actively promoting it but then again they were all run by PA vets . now you have one in the CVA fighting it and fighting it hard and the guy running it is a PA vet no less as most are mind you .

some day they will all be run by NVC vets but victory will come long before that .

the world will turn my friend stay strong .

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