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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 14:43

once again, who "declares" a Vet, DEC, I`ve completed a Rehab program and am working, but according to what I`ve read about DEC, it`s no longer "Totally impared" but "Diminished capacity", so you can now have a job and still claim it. Just because a Vet is now working, it shouldn`t mean he`s not entitled to a portion of that income he lost from being released well before 25 years service.
If you read the whole DEC page, it says you need this assessment and that, but it also says VAC can make a decision based on medical/psychologial reports that already have without the Vet needing to jump through any more hoops.
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Post by Bruce72 on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 12:36

Artie you need to have an approved Rehab program with VAC in order to qualify for CIA. Once on a Rehab plan, if you are declared DEC, then you are eligible for CIAS.

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Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 12:10

the VAC 671 Medical Questionnaire: Employment Capacity;
a specialized functional capacity assessment;,...these do not exist.
"Specialized assessments, such as employability and functional capacity assessments, may not be required in all cases. For example, the medical report that accompanies the application may provide sufficient evidence to make a DEC decision for a Veteran with a clear and significant loss of functional capacity and employability.
Where evidence indicates that, with additional medical, psycho-social or vocational rehabilitation, the Veteran could have potential to regain capacity for suitable gainful employment, the Veteran should not be found to have met the criteria for a DEC designation.
My psychologist not my family Dr. ( as I do not have one), states that my PTSD is sever and will long term help is not going to change my brain, unless I take medication, which I refuse to take after what Mefloquine did to me. I am going to apply to VAC on these grounds.
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Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 12:05

Evidence Required

A DEC decision must be based on evidence in relation to the health problem(s) for which the Veteran is eligible for the Rehabilitation Program.
The following objective evidence must be considered in making a DEC decision:
the prognosis regarding the program-eligible health problem(s); and
the impact of the program eligible health problem(s) on the Veteran’s:
functional capacity; and
employability.
Information to evaluate these factors may be obtained as required from sources including, but not limited to, the following:
medical/rehabilitation reports, which reflect the Veteran’s current health status and functional capacity;
the VAC 671 Medical Questionnaire: Employment Capacity;
a specialized functional capacity assessment;
an employability assessment and/or a vocational assessment obtained from a vocational rehabilitation provider;
Service Income Security Insurance Plan - Long Term Disability (SISIP-LTD) reports and Canada Pension Plan (CPP) – Disability Pension reports; and
any other relevant information needed to make a DEC decision
Specialized assessments, such as employability and functional capacity assessments, may not be required in all cases. For example, the medical report that accompanies the application may provide sufficient evidence to make a DEC decision for a Veteran with a clear and significant loss of functional capacity and employability.
Where evidence indicates that, with additional medical, psycho-social or vocational rehabilitation, the Veteran could have potential to regain capacity for suitable gainful employment, the Veteran should not be found to have met the criteria for a DEC designation.
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Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 12:01

I`ve read the whole link, where does it say how to apply for DEC ( in order to obtain CIA suppliment)
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 11:49

I`ve been trying to read everything everyone has to say about DEC and I am so confused ( which is always VAC`s goal) . I was medically released 20 years ago with 16 years in, couldn`t meet universality of service so I was kicked out and given a monthly cheque of $126.00 for my injury. True I couldn`t do all the physical things I could have before, but I could have instructed troop classes based on the knowledge I had obtained over the years, comms, vehicle driving/mainteance, field craft , weapon firing etc. but unlike the American military that gives their injured veterans the option to stay in the forces, out the door I went.
I bitterly moved on,there are somethings physically I`ll just never be able to do even after all these years  because my wound never healed properly, but from what I`m seeing about this DEC , if you apply, VAC is is supposed to look at how old you were, how many years you had in, how many years of income you were robbed off, that would have taken you to a 25 year career in the Forces, and then mathematically give you a portion of what you could have earned?
Okay, if that`s true, The only thing I can find here or on the VAC site is that a Veteran can apply for CIA if he is approved, it says the Vet can also apply for a CIA suppliment...but to get that the veteran must be proven to be both CIA & DEC, my question is how do you apply for DEC, I only see forms for CIA?
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Guest on Wed 22 Mar 2017, 15:16

Moving this topic up, this is also suppose to take affect April, 01, 2017.

Those who have not looked into getting deemed "Totally Permanently Incapacitated" (TPI), should now be taking a second look, because "Totally Permanently Incapacitated" (TPI), is going to be changed to "Diminished Earning Capacity" (DEC).

This should make it easier to qualify, for the (DEC), you would need this to apply for the "Career Impact Allowance" (CIA) supplement.

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Post by prawnstar on Sun 06 Nov 2016, 12:35

VAC determines if you are Totally and Permanently Injured. Do you have a case manager? That person should be the one dealing with VAC on these matters. If you don't the Legion has case Officers that can help you. This is something you cannot do on your own.

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Post by prawnstar on Sun 06 Nov 2016, 10:44

Skeptical it sounds like your situation may be different but I found when I was going through the VAC grinder I missed many details or thought I understood things. My saving grace was an Awesome CM who took the time to explain things to make sure I was clear. I'm not sure if this is right but if you are 100% for one condition doesn't mean you are TPI and other injuries are covered by VIP and other medical services?

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Post by bigrex on Sun 06 Nov 2016, 09:01

I have EELB, solely because of my physical limitations, recognized and not recognized, create a situation where I can no longer work. I was working, but was bed ridden between shifts, until it got to the point that I couldn't even get out of bed to go to work. You say that you've been in the system a long time, so were you working all this time with the physical disabilities? Have you complained that your physical disabilities have worsened, or did you tell your Dr that it was your PTSD that was starting to create issues? There has to be a reason that they are focusing on the PTSD
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Guest on Sun 06 Nov 2016, 06:21

skeptical they should be looking at the combined effect of all your conditions not jist picking the condition of the month or whatever they seem to be doing . yes you can get EELB for physical injuries  if you are over 100% you should not be getting the hard time you are getting . that just makes no sense to me .

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Bruce72 on Sun 06 Nov 2016, 05:57

Skeptical,  I'm not trying to be provoke an argument, but I don't really appreciate your take on my situation.  Eleven years is not a short time.  It's been a long road to the level of recovery I currently find myself in.  That road was fraught with a lot grief, self loathing, suicidal thoughts, destroyed personal relationships,  years of on going therapy and substance abuse, just to name a few of the speed bumps. I'd give back all the financial compensation I've received from VAC if I could be who I used to be before serving.

In the future if you could keep your opinions about other people's situations to yourself, and instead, offer only support and or guidance to your fellow veterans, it would be appreciated.

With that being said, I have had a lot of experience dealing with VAC and it's processes and if I can do anything or offer advice to help you, please don't hesitate to ask me via PM.

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Bruce72 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 23:26

Agreed Firebird, it took me 11 years to be at the level of compensation I'm at. My first CM was off side. Eleven years and a career lost.

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by 1993firebird on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 10:44

Everyone just take a deep breath and relax. It took me 14 years to get everything that I was told that I am entitled to receive. The problem is entitled does not mean automatic when it comes to people and money.

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