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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 11:49

I`ve been trying to read everything everyone has to say about DEC and I am so confused ( which is always VAC`s goal) . I was medically released 20 years ago with 16 years in, couldn`t meet universality of service so I was kicked out and given a monthly cheque of $126.00 for my injury. True I couldn`t do all the physical things I could have before, but I could have instructed troop classes based on the knowledge I had obtained over the years, comms, vehicle driving/mainteance, field craft , weapon firing etc. but unlike the American military that gives their injured veterans the option to stay in the forces, out the door I went.
I bitterly moved on,there are somethings physically I`ll just never be able to do even after all these years †because my wound never healed properly, but from what I`m seeing about this DEC , if you apply, VAC is is supposed to look at how old you were, how many years you had in, how many years of income you were robbed off, that would have taken you to a 25 year career in the Forces, and then mathematically give you a portion of what you could have earned?
Okay, if that`s true, The only thing I can find here or on the VAC site is that a Veteran can apply for CIA if he is approved, it says the Vet can also apply for a CIA suppliment...but to get that the veteran must be proven to be both CIA & DEC, my question is how do you apply for DEC, I only see forms for CIA?
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 12:01

cosmo12 wrote:http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/1971

New policy

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I`ve read the whole link, where does it say how to apply for DEC ( in order to obtain CIA suppliment)
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 12:05

Evidence Required

A DEC decision must be based on evidence in relation to the health problem(s) for which the Veteran is eligible for the Rehabilitation Program.
The following objective evidence must be considered in making a DEC decision:
the prognosis regarding the program-eligible health problem(s); and
the impact of the program eligible health problem(s) on the Veteranís:
functional capacity; and
employability.
Information to evaluate these factors may be obtained as required from sources including, but not limited to, the following:
medical/rehabilitation reports, which reflect the Veteranís current health status and functional capacity;
the VAC 671 Medical Questionnaire: Employment Capacity;
a specialized functional capacity assessment;
an employability assessment and/or a vocational assessment obtained from a vocational rehabilitation provider;
Service Income Security Insurance Plan - Long Term Disability (SISIP-LTD) reports and Canada Pension Plan (CPP) Ė Disability Pension reports; and
any other relevant information needed to make a DEC decision
Specialized assessments, such as employability and functional capacity assessments, may not be required in all cases. For example, the medical report that accompanies the application may provide sufficient evidence to make a DEC decision for a Veteran with a clear and significant loss of functional capacity and employability.
Where evidence indicates that, with additional medical, psycho-social or vocational rehabilitation, the Veteran could have potential to regain capacity for suitable gainful employment, the Veteran should not be found to have met the criteria for a DEC designation.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 12:10

the VAC 671 Medical Questionnaire: Employment Capacity;
a specialized functional capacity assessment;,...these do not exist.
"Specialized assessments, such as employability and functional capacity assessments, may not be required in all cases. For example, the medical report that accompanies the application may provide sufficient evidence to make a DEC decision for a Veteran with a clear and significant loss of functional capacity and employability.
Where evidence indicates that, with additional medical, psycho-social or vocational rehabilitation, the Veteran could have potential to regain capacity for suitable gainful employment, the Veteran should not be found to have met the criteria for a DEC designation.
My psychologist not my family Dr. ( as I do not have one), states that my PTSD is sever and will long term help is not going to change my brain, unless I take medication, which I refuse to take after what Mefloquine did to me. I am going to apply to VAC on these grounds.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Bruce72 on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 12:36

Artie you need to have an approved Rehab program with VAC in order to qualify for CIA. Once on a Rehab plan, if you are declared DEC, then you are eligible for CIAS.

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 14:43

once again, who "declares" a Vet, DEC, I`ve completed a Rehab program and am working, but according to what I`ve read about DEC, it`s no longer "Totally impared" but "Diminished capacity", so you can now have a job and still claim it. Just because a Vet is now working, it shouldn`t mean he`s not entitled to a portion of that income he lost from being released well before 25 years service.
If you read the whole DEC page, it says you need this assessment and that, but it also says VAC can make a decision based on medical/psychologial reports that already have without the Vet needing to jump through any more hoops.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Trooper on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 15:28

Artie Simm wrote:once again, who "declares" a Vet, DEC, I`ve completed a Rehab program and am working, but according to what I`ve read about DEC, it`s no longer "Totally impared" but "Diminished capacity", so you can now have a job and still claim it. Just because a Vet is now working, it shouldn`t mean he`s not entitled to a portion of that income he lost from being released well before 25 years service.
If you read the whole DEC page, it says you need this assessment and that, but it also says VAC can make a decision based on medical/psychologial reports that already have without the Vet needing to jump through any more hoops.

A VAC Case Manager is the person who initiates the DEC for you. It is the Case Manager who either approves you for DEC, or recommends in a report to VAC to either qualify you, or not qualify you. Either way, you need to go through a Case Manager, at least that is my understanding. Others can correct if it can be done on your own.

One point about one of your above post Artie where you state you refuse to take medication, when applying for any benefit, I would not state in the application you refuse to take medication, that's just my advice, you do what you feel is right.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 15:59

I don`t have a problem telling them how it is, I took Mefloquine because the Army told me I had to and that screwed me up, I`m not taking anything any other medication VAC recommends through a psychologist. Can I not forward all the information to my CM and say open a DEC claim then?
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Trooper on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 16:40

Artie Simm wrote: I don`t have a problem telling them how it is, I took Mefloquine because the Army told me I had to and that screwed me up, I`m not taking anything any other medication VAC recommends through a psychologist. Can I not forward all the information to my CM and say open a DEC claim then?

Exactly, contact your CM and request they start the process for determining you DEC.

Some are a little slow and may give you some BS, pay no attention to that, tell them you feel you meet the criteria for DEC and you were told that Case Managers are in place to support the Veteran, and support the request of the Veteran.
You may get lucky and get the support right away, if not, don't feel bad as it happens to many. Be persistent.
Case Managers are suppose to know what evidence to ask for.

It's one of those things where you never know until you apply.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 16:44

can a vet`s own personal CM be reached through the MyVAC account?
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by pinger on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 20:28

Artie, †bear with me as my memory is shot. Don't recall where you are in VaC's stuff.
But there is a very logical and methodical approach to their shyte.

Sincerely no offence, but imo you may be tap dancing around VaC's alphabets of benefits.
Someone could ask questions forever, but eventually they have to actually DO something.

Years back, my best cm was Johnny Walker Red (not recommended). What helped better was support of really tight people, in person, that gave my approach to VaC a reality check.

VaC cm's, BPA's, Legion service officers may be a crap shoot, but don't discount them either.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by BinRat on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 21:11

It's Actually Not the Case Manager who approves you to be DEC.

What will happen the CM will gather information be it from Family Dr. Pyscologist, Etc Etc.

Then the Case manager will place it on the Schedule to be reviewed by the VAC"s Office Interdisciplinary group meeting
your CM will like the BPA, present your case like I have John Doe, his condition(s) are as followed, we have tried, this this this, and this, and have failed and it still will not bring my client John Doe up to suitably gainfully employment, to make 662/3rd of there pre-release (adjusted) salary,therefore I am looking at Moving John Doe to the DEC.

then the team of VAC nurses, Doctors, supervisors or whoever is part of this interdisciplinary team, review it and either, agree to make you DEC or not.

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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Artie Simm on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 21:24

pinger wrote:Artie, †bear with me as my memory is shot. Don't recall where you are in VaC's stuff.
But there is a very logical and methodical approach to their shyte.

Sincerely no offence, but imo you may be tap dancing around VaC's alphabets of benefits.
Someone could ask questions forever, but eventually they have to actually DO something.

Years back, my best cm was Johnny Walker Red (not recommended). What helped better was support of really tight people, in person, that gave my approach to VaC a reality check.

VaC cm's, BPA's, Legion service officers may be a crap shoot, but don't discount them either.
I`ve had 2 CM`s in 12 years, I saw one only once, the other twice, they never tell me about any of these programs, they just call every few months and say "how is it going?" I`m only learning about all these benefit opportunities through this site.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by Vet1234 on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 22:00

Amen. I'm on my third CM and this forum has helped me much more than any CM I've had.
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Re: Diminished Earning Capacity (DEC)

Post by pinger on Wed 05 Jul 2017, 22:10

Artie ... "how is it going?" no pun on your cm's quote.

But hey, feel free to pm me if I might be able to help ya.
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