Will SISIP follow VAC's 15% increase to the ELB?

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Post by Ex Member on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 13:34

I am quite confused. I got the ELB letter on my vac account too but I called dva today and if I understand the agent correctly I won't be getting an increase of ELB. I was approved ELB in previous years but was zeroed out due to receiving LTD, CPPd, EIA. So can someone explain why I won't be getting an increase differential of 15%. Would it be that combined monthly benefits are too high?

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Post by Teentitan on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 13:58

Elgin this letter that was released at 0200 hours and it caught everyone at VAC off guard and not properly informed. I just talked to VAC and the rep on the other end of the line said they are way behind on the info and what to tell people. The answers seem to be changing every hour.

So I would wait for the letter that is coming out mid October.

But from what I was told is if you were approved for ELB but zeroed out because of LTD you would get the 15% increase but under ELB not LTD.
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Re: Will SISIP follow VAC's 15% increase to the ELB?

Post by Ex Member on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 14:48

"But from what I was told is if you were approved for ELB but zeroed out because of LTD you would get the 15% increase but under ELB not LTD".

That's what I was understanding Teentitan but according to the dva agent he said that I won't get the 15% even though I am on ELB but zeroed out due to LTD because my EIA and LTD are too high. Does that make any sense because in the dva letter received today on my vac account, it states that they are increasing the Earnings Loss Benefit from 75% to 90% of recipients' adjusted military salary at the time of release, resulting in a minimum total annual income of $44,496.00. So is there a cap on the $44,496.00 to reflect the  total LTD, EIA, CppD combined? If there is a cap, then many won't see the 15% increase in actuality.

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Post by 1sea0shell33 on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 14:53

Elgin, were you approved elb or eelb because i just called vac and they said there is a difference. You could have been approved for elb and since sisip ltd took over never had vac moved you from elb to eelb.

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Re: Will SISIP follow VAC's 15% increase to the ELB?

Post by Ex Member on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 15:03

Hi Sea Shell, I was approved ELB. Not sure what EELB is so quite certain I am not on that. How does one go from ELB to EELB? The dva agent was quite clear that my EIA and LTD combined would disqualify me from getting the 15% increase.

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Post by Panserbjørn on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 15:33

I don't see a victory in denying without reason or oversight. It would just lead to a massive flood of appeals.

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Post by 1sea0shell33 on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 15:40

Since eia is a pa payment how can vac subtract that from the ELB ? That's what the lawsuit took care of! Sisip LTd doesn't subtract eia or aa ? Eelb is extended earnings loss benefit its when Vac says you have no reasonable hope of training nor work and thus get this benefit extended to age 65 . It's like tpi!

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Re: Will SISIP follow VAC's 15% increase to the ELB?

Post by Teentitan on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 15:56

Elgin and all I know this is a crazy time and VAC is doing what VAC always does....

release info without details and full explanations which causes stress.

All I can say is try, I know it will be hard but try, to relax and wait until the letter from VAC in October comes. Hopefully it will have better details.

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Re: Will SISIP follow VAC's 15% increase to the ELB?

Post by bigrex on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 16:07

See, things like that are why it is useless trying to get answers from VAC front line staff. These people are good for telling you the status of an application, pr requesting paperwork, but have no clue about the details of the benefits that are offered. ELB no longer deducts any other VAC benefits.

Below are all the deductions that are made from ELB

22 The following sources are prescribed for the purpose of the amount of variable B in subsection 19(1) of the Act:

(a) [Repealed, SOR/2012-195, s. 1]

(b) benefits payable under the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, the Public Service Superannuation Act or the Employment Insurance Act;

(c) benefits payable under the Canada Pension Plan or the Act Respecting the Québec Pension Plan other than amounts payable for a dependent child;

(d) benefits payable under any employer-sponsored long-term disability insurance plan;

(e) benefits payable in respect of economic loss under the Government Employees Compensation Act or any provincial workers’ compensation legislation;

(f) amounts payable in respect of economic loss arising from legal liability to pay damages;

(g) amounts payable under an employer pension plan;

(h) employment earnings payable while the veteran is not participating in a rehabilitation plan or vocational assistance plan developed by the Minister or where the veteran is participating in such a plan and the sum of the earnings loss payable for a month plus the employment earnings for the month exceeds the veteran’s imputed income; and

(i) 50% of employment earnings payable while the veteran is participating in a rehabilitation plan or vocational assistance plan developed by the Minister so long as the sum of the earnings loss payable for a month plus the employment earnings for the month does not exceed the veteran’s imputed income.
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Re: Will SISIP follow VAC's 15% increase to the ELB?

Post by Trooper on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 16:11

I would like to weight in giving my opinion on this issue, first I'm in agreement with what Rex and Teen has stated in not getting to overwhelmed with worry on what is being said in your My VAC Account. Continuing to discuss it and ask questions is fine because that's what we stand for on CSAT. I just don't want people getting to upset at all the mix answers their getting, the only way to know for sure is to see your actual change in your Oct pay, if it applies to you. This regarding the 15% increase to the ELB. Regarding the 15% increase to SISIP, again, the message is mixed. We need to hear from the MND or Manulife themselves to confirm whether or not they will follow the same changes to the ELB. I'm not suggesting for one minute that what is being said or suggested by anyone is not true, what I'm suggesting is to wait for clarification from the policy holder before we can say for certain that is indeed the case. We've all been down this road before where things were not, what we thought they were, that's what happens when those in charge are not forthcoming on what the hell it is their doing. Sending out a message to your My VAC Account without properly informing those answering the phones to answer questions on that particular message, just adds to the confusion and also adds to speculation. I don't know if it's just me, but there seems to be a hell of a lot of secrecy surrounding the Liberals on our file, their all over the map praising the re opening of the offices, given out commendations, but yet when it comes to fully explaining implementation of benefits, they somehow seem to vanish from the scene. Could this be because only the bureaucrats understand it, and our Minister doesn't? Either way, regardless of the outcome of what is coming, we will unite as always and deal with any disagreements we have on what exactly they bring forward. It looks like we are going to have to get use to this type of way the government is moving on our file, I say our file is being fully run by the bureaucrats, and that is why we don't get the answers, were asking.
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Re: Will SISIP follow VAC's 15% increase to the ELB?

Post by Ex Member on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 16:17

Thanks everyone for your input. I guess I will wait and see what comes out of all of this in Oct/Nov.
Sea Shell, I called dva and they confirmed that I am EELB. I know that it stands for Extended ELB but what exactly does that entail? Thanks again.

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Post by 1sea0shell33 on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 17:00

Elgin , I believe it means we're good for nothing and here's your silver and call us at 65 , hopefully if we all make it that long! ELB I believe means get your butt out to work even if you have to crawl and breath thru a straw! Don't call us unless it regards the last post fund or unless you want a signed photo of Sunny Skies forever and ever Trudeau aka the veterans best friend!

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Re: Will SISIP follow VAC's 15% increase to the ELB?

Post by Ex Member on Fri 16 Sep 2016, 17:05

Sea Shell you certainly have a way with words!  I understand the difference now between ELB and EELB. Cheers

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Here us the latest on Sisip ltd getting the 90%

Post by K9 on Tue 20 Sep 2016, 19:36

Called today VA in regards of the post on Sisip web site,
Here is what is posted:
https://www.cfmws.com/en/AboutUs/SISIPFS/Documents/CDS%20Letter%20to%20CAF%20LTD%20Claimant_sep2016_ENG.pdf

Here in French
https://www.cfmws.com/fr/AboutUs/SISIPFS/Documents/CDS%20Letter%20to%20CAF%20LTD%20Claimant_sep2016_FRE.pdf

Called VA, they said that they sent letters to those who are concerned. After telling her that I was Sisip Ltd, was on the rehab program that closed and got the letter fron VA saying I'm totally invalid, she said I should have received a letter but there is a glitch that made that no letter for me. She is asking Charlottetown to reviw my file as it seems they are not aware that I was on Sisip.
Called friends in the same situation, no letters. If I didn't call, to bad, I wouldn't receive anything.

Why is it that we always have to ask for things that should work by itself!!!
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Re: Will SISIP follow VAC's 15% increase to the ELB?

Post by Ex Member on Tue 20 Sep 2016, 20:24

K9 do you have a VAC My Account? The letter was sent via email through the My Account.

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