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Post by Ex Member on Wed 09 Nov 2016, 17:38

oh for sure they do teen . especially the civi bar tenders / staff and how much more they would have to pay them .

of course that's what businesses are worried about paid days off or having to pay double time or time and a half or whatever . of cores not theses guys they are not a business are they????


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Post by Teentitan on Tue 08 Nov 2016, 23:01

Well technically the Legion would have their finger on the pulse of the civilian side of why Remembrance Day shouldn't be a national holiday...just sayn'
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Post by Guest on Tue 08 Nov 2016, 13:49

three good comments I agree with . walked into Walmart today . seen a sign that said they would be closed remembrance day . they are not the only ones that close around here . sooo I guess their employees can attend the remembrance day ceremonies if they choose but probably will not be paid if that was their regularly scheduled work day .

look its already a holiday to me and well most . making it a legal holiday changes nothing for me but defiantly would for some . as for those no good for aaaahhhh just read bruce 72s again.



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Post by 1993firebird on Tue 08 Nov 2016, 08:23

Remembrance Day is not a Holiday , it is a Day to remember how disgusting we are as a human race. Everyday should be a Remembrance Day because the Human Race has been killing each other since our existence began.

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Post by Guest on Tue 08 Nov 2016, 08:08

I REMEMBER everyday, I don't require a holiday to remember the sacrifices of our military past present and future, but I will say that the Country as a whole needs to be educated daily about sacrifice period. I believe that to an extent is being conducted on a weekly basis, watch professional sports they honour the fallen and pay out respect to the serving today. That I am proud of.................your right the Legion is done meaningless and only loyal to the daily patrons that slobber over the wet bar. Anyhow Remember period national or in your home.


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Post by Bruce72 on Tue 08 Nov 2016, 07:59

Why would the Legion resist the idea of Remembrance Day being a national holiday? Furthermore, who cares what the Legion thinks about the matter.

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Just another day off: Why the Canadian Legion opposes making Remembrance Day an official holiday

Post by Guest on Tue 08 Nov 2016, 07:04

Just another day off: Why the Canadian Legion opposes making Remembrance Day an official holiday

Tristin Hopper | November 8, 2016 12:02 AM ET

A Canadian Forces member adjusts a wreath after the Remembrance Day ceremony at the National War Memorial in Ottawa, November 11, 2011.

Spurred by a private member’s bill drafted by Liberal MP Colin Fraser, the House of Commons is convening a committee on whether to update the Holidays Act to make Remembrance Day a “legal” holiday.

It would still be up to the provinces to decide, but Fraser sees his proposed amendment as a good first step.

“Personally, I believe that it would be appropriate for Remembrance Day to be a statutory holiday in every province and territory in Canada,” he told the House.

But the measure faces stiff opposition from an organization that has been campaigning against a Remembrance Day holiday for more than 40 years; the Royal Canadian Legion.

“If it was institutionalized and made a statutory holiday, the impression would be that people in their homes would not make the effort to attend a downtown ceremony,” said Bill Maxwell, secretary of the legion’s poppy and remembrance committee.

Veterans, students and members of the community gathered at John McRae Secondary School in Ottawa to commemorate Remembrance Day November 11, 2011.

Few Canadians, for instance, spend Labour Day reflecting on the 19th-century Toronto labour protest it was meant to commemorate. Ditto Victoria Day, which was originally enacted so Canadians could spend the day cheering the birthday of whoever happened to be the reigning monarch.

“For most, (Victoria Day) just provides for a long weekend in May,” legion representative Brad White told a Veterans Affairs committee in 2015. “We must not let Remembrance Day suffer this same fate.”

This is not the first attempt to add Remembrance Day to the holiday calendar.

In 1996, the House of Commons defeated a private member’s bill looking to enshrine Remembrance Day as a holiday in public service collective agreements. An New Democratic Party bill nearly identical to Fraser’s died last year on the order paper — and a statutory Remembrance Day was even an NDP election promise.

As far back as the late 1970s, the Royal Canadian Legion was advocating against government proposals to turn Remembrance Day into a “floating holiday” for federal employees.

In fact, in the late 1920s Remembrance Day (then known as Armistice Day) was celebrated on the Monday closest to Nov. 11. It was legion advocacy that helped to fix the commemoration on Nov. 11 proper.

Remembrance Day is already a paid holiday for about half Canada’s 35 million people. Only residents of Ontario, Quebec and Nova Scotia have to work that day.

In B.C., for instance, there is no school on Nov. 11, but Remembrance Day assemblies are typically held on the closest school day.

The legion is not the only veterans group to bemoan the holidaying of Remembrance Day.

“Our stance is that it should never be a holiday; you take away the uniqueness of being able to educate the younger generation of the horrors of war,” said Rob Larman, a director with the War Amps of Canada.

But Mike Blais, founder of Canadian Veterans Advocacy, is in favour of a nationwide statutory holiday.

“When we have a national holiday where respect is paid on a national level, the spirit of the nation is satisfied,” he told Postmedia in 2014.

Retired Lieutenant Commander Victor Chan celebrates Remembrance Day at a ceremony held at John McCrae Secondary School in Ottawa Ontario Tuesday Nov 11, 2015.

The legion itself is split on the question.

Thirteen times since 1970, legion conventions have featured a resolution to recognize Remembrance Day as a holiday. But each time, most recently in 2012, the “no holiday” camp won the day.

The current issue of Legion Magazine has a pro and con article debating the merits of a statutory Remembrance Day.

Former Veterans Affairs Minister Erin O’Toole, a veteran, has observed Remembrance Day in a province where it’s a holiday (Nova Scotia) and one where it isn’t (Ontario).

O’Toole said that the cenotaph ceremonies in Nova Scotia were “much more crowded … than ones I attended in Ontario,” but they clearly only included a fraction of the schoolchildren who had the day off.

“My personal view is that if kids are not in school … there is a likelihood that a majority of children would not get the same level of education and appreciation for the service and sacrifice the day represents,” he wrote in an email to the National Post.

When Remembrance Day was recognized as Armistice Day in 1921, it was notable for the considerable thoroughness with which life came to a stop for the two minutes’ silence at 11 a.m. All across the then-British Empire, courts paused proceedings, traffic halted, and factories and construction sites fell silent.

Nov. 11 isn’t nearly as dramatic anymore. But the legion’s general opinion is that another day off doesn’t quite have the resonance of a nation full of schoolchildren bowing their heads, labourers laying down their tools and office workers standing up at their cubicles.

“Rather than having a day off, commemoration or remembrance should be emphasized at the workplace or in the schools,” said Maxwell.


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Remembrance Day should be a legal holiday, MP Colin Fraser says

Post by Guest on Sun 06 Nov 2016, 06:58

Remembrance Day should be a legal holiday, MP Colin Fraser says

Royal Canadian Legion opposes move, fearing it would turn revered day into 'just another long weekend'
By Jon Tattrie, CBC News Posted: Nov 06, 2016 7:00 AM AT Last Updated: Nov 06, 2016 7:00 AM AT

A child places a poppy on the National War Memorial following the Remembrance Day ceremony in Ottawa last year. (Canadian Press)

Remembrance Day should be a legal holiday in Canada, says a Nova Scotia Member of Parliament, despite some opposition.

The Royal Canadian Legion opposes such a move on the grounds it could turn the day into "just another long weekend."

Colin Fraser, MP for West Nova, said his private member's bill, Bill C-311, would make Remembrance Day a legal holiday in the Holidays Act.

"It doesn't make it a national holiday, but elevates it to the same status as Canada Day [and Victoria Day]," he said Friday.

"The main purpose is to give it the recognition I think it deserves in federal legislation, but also to get the provinces and territories who don't have it as a statutory holiday to revisit it."

Provinces and territories decide which days are non-working holidays. The date is a statutory holiday for federal workers. Three territories and six provinces — Newfoundland & Labrador, New Brunswick, P.E.I., Saskatchewan, Alberta and B.C. — make the day a statutory holiday.

Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia and Manitoba do not.

NDP bill died last year

The idea has been mooted before. The last effort from NDP MP Dan Harris had passed a second reading, but died on the paper when Parliament dissolved ahead of the 2015 election.

Fraser said his Liberal Party's government supports the bill, and he's heard positive reaction from other parties.

His bill would also make Monday a holiday when Nov. 11 falls on a weekend, and would make it law to fly the Canadan flag at half-mast at the Peace Tower. Fraser said he now realizes those two provisions could cause wider problems, so he's open to seeing them deleted by the standing committee on Canadian heritage, if it gets that far.

He said local legions support the move, but the national line is against it.

Not just 'another long weekend'

Bruce Poulin, spokesman for the Royal Canadian Legion, said the group's position has not changed since they opposed the last move to change the day's status.

In April 2015 Brade White, dominion secretary for the legion, spoke to the standing committee on veterans affairs. He said legion members across the country had debated the issue many times.

"We remain concerned that Canadians, if given the time off as a legal holiday, may not take the time to remember; that it may simply become a mid-week break or just part of another long weekend," White said at the time.

The legion also said having young Canadians in school that day is important. "To honour this day, many schools hold assemblies where they organize their own commemoration; some teachers take their students to collectively participate with their peers in ceremonies at local cenotaphs, thereby strengthening the impact of the significance of November 11," White said in 2015.

Long process

Fraser hopes to find a way forward. "They'll have an opportunity to testify at the standing committee on Canadian heritage if it gets past the second reading and we'll hear their position," he said.

He suggested Canadians could follow the Nova Scotia example, where many schools spend the days leading up to Nov. 11 learning about the wars and having veterans visit. "And then have the 11th as a day off to mark the occasion with their families and go to ceremonies."

Fraser worked as a tour guide at Vimy Ridge years ago. That sparked his interest in the history and how the service of veterans is remembered. He's on the standing committee on veterans affairs.

"In a small way, this is a modest measure to help remember those who have sacrificed so much for our freedom," Fraser said.

His bill is moving through the parliamentary process, but it could be a year or more before it gets to a vote in Parliament.


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