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Post by propat on Thu 07 Dec 2017, 19:04

ya buds I here ya and really I wasn't really referring to them they threw us under the bus in 06 and show no signs of trying to fix that . there are two good online sights out there that are decent that could if the will were there and we could move more after that . just an idea food for thought as it were .

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Post by Wildthing on Thu 07 Dec 2017, 18:43

I don't think all the different organizations are in it for the same reason propat until there is transparency let's use the Legion for example, until they open the books I'm only to assume their in it for a healthy paycheck and cheap Labour that pays dues. The legions in my area used to be incredible but I feel it is political and to greedy at the top.
I spent 10 day's in ndmc sharing a room with a permanent WW11 veteran not once did I see a Legion member and he was a permanent resident. If they wanted military members or cared they would make themselves approachable. I'm leary of these organizations that's just my opinion. I seen stuff in ndmc also that showed a lack of give a crap.

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propats back at least for a sec or two

Post by propat on Thu 07 Dec 2017, 01:42

just bringing this back to the top because I believe the knowledge within will help our leaders if in fact they appiciate things like knowledge . here is to hoping !!!

this site needs to be linked to vets Canada and CVA . WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME FIGHT GUYS !!!!!

ya I have nothing prepared about this subject so how about the obvious even for the intellectually challenged . swallow your ego for unity .

we mean nothing divided but united in an election that looks to be close politicians will sell their souls for you.

we need a united voice that's obvious . lets be that voice its not that hard boys .

ya get the other two sights to join this sight in this forum linked but anonymous . bigger numbers and more effective .

always question authority

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Post by Dannypaj on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 05:11

Tired of being messed around by the system?
Your not alone!

Think about it?
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Post by Dannypaj on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 05:08

Firepower to your message propat &

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Re: POLITICS ACCORDING TO PROPAT

Post by Guest on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 11:39

#3 letter righting and how it effects government policy .

ok first and foremost the government is more concerned about public opinion than anything else . this effects the money and votes they will receive . in essence it will determine weather they get fired or not .

so their is NOTHING more important to them .

thing is politicians have to know what public opinion is . they cant read minds so they have a staff that reads a lot of other stuff to figure it out for them .

public opinion polls ,focus group reports , blogs, tweets ,website posts , media stories ( witch they also conceder as developing public opinion witch I'm sure I will get into at a latter date ) and letters / emails .

the FACT is that to this day politicians, political scientists , staff and other political hacks consider the voluntarily offered up letter / email with your personal info THEE most accurate gage of public opinion they have at their disposal outside the voting booth .

in fact so much so that these types of correspondence are given a multiple factor as to public opinion on the subject matter . 25 , 50, 100, 1000 ect ect ect .

the factor all depends on the subject matter , the coherence and legitimacy and yes the passion put into the correspondence relative to the other correspondence received in reference to the same subject . bottom line your letter will be given a factor with very little exception.

so your letter will be looked at as the opinion of 25 voters ,1000 voters or whatever .

now as this effects us ;

letter righting factors for demographic groups generally get low factors ( if that correspondence is from that group )

letter righting factors for subject matters effecting the entire voting public generally get high factors .

letters written from the general public in support of a demographic group ( written by people outside the demographic group in question ) will generally get the highest factors .

so right away boys you will be only showing the opinion of vets not the general public but if the GOC figures at some point that the next election will be close these may be very important letters indeed .

however if we could get a message out to joe civie one so compelling that he will be righting letters in mass . well well well boys that will would absolutely force the GOC to act .

only two actions they can take at that point and at times both .

first maintain their current policy and win back public support for their current policy .

if that fails then just bow to public opinion .

ya their is a third and that's to dust off and update the old resume but this is one almost never taken.

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Post by czerv on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 11:04

Happy New Year Herh!

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Post by Dannypaj on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 07:03

So Kent Hehr.... you made it to 2017. Nice going... so you get to claim your wheelchair as a medical expense tax credit while you fail to support veterans in their bid for equality in the tax treatment of their Psychiatric Service Dogs. They have an H word for that and it isnt Hemmoroid.... You are completely missing the point. As a lawyer I figured you would understand the definition of discrimination, but alas I was mistaken.
You fumbled because of poor staff work that is ...symptomatic of the WE KNOW BEST attitude that is displayed by your department and bureaucrats. Hell you guys cant seem to do a mail out without creating a huge privacy breech... nice going. Speaking of mail, the Prime Minister will be getting hundreds of letters from concerned Canadian Citizens. The Human Rights Complaints are filed and receipted. So it might behoove you to figure out what is really going on in the Service Dog world.
So here is a question for you. Remember those standards that are in development that you are paying for? Do you know that service dog legislation is a provincial matter and there is no requirement for adoption by the provinces? So what is the purpose? Oh I know so that VAC could know what they would be paying for....
Speaking of which.... why is it the VAC case Managers are reaching out to Service Dog organizations to get Veterans Service dogs? Rather awkward question isn't it? You see minister you have not got a clue what is happening in your department. If clues were shoes in the Service Dog world you would be barefoot. But rather than talk to folks who know what is really happening you accept sub standard staff work from bureacratic Yes men.
So Kent... you had hoped that this would blow over and go away... not so much... the media will continue to dig and I am only too willing to draw the map for them.
So you have yourself a great time... the hot seat is a fun place and you will get to claim that priveledge. Jan 25th will be interesting... Lets Talk.... oh wait... you are missing the hard parts.
#discriminationisuncanadian
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Post by Dannypaj on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 11:38



Canada is the beacon of peace, not lies and politics, 2017
No more ANGRY VETERANS!
Happy meaningful dialogue amongst all!!!
Happy New Year !
Happy years to come, with best intentions.
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Re: POLITICS ACCORDING TO PROPAT

Post by Dannypaj on Thu 22 Dec 2016, 07:09

IMO, our tune would be different, simply put "we believed our GoC was going to reinstate our Pensions Act".
If I was a Canadian peon, would I go out risking life and limb knowing they can promise you something and anything?

Canada is the beacon of peace, not lies and politics

Mr. Stogran and Mr. Roberts; Like comment.
Goes to show how social media is working.
Now society can really control the vote.

Do not make false promises to your veterans?
Pandora's box.
Really blows my mind that they would think we would let it ride out like we are an insurance policy plan.
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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 22 Dec 2016, 07:01

The mighty green machine "us" veterans. 
They are all in Cahoots.
Did you vote for your leader?
No! The party votes for their leader.
Put real names on Ballots.
Real names.

Wonder who makes them change their song and dance when in power|?
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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 22 Dec 2016, 06:56

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Re: POLITICS ACCORDING TO PROPAT

Post by Guest on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 22:15

well buds I agree if it were me id be fighting my own government tooth and nail in the public eye like good old pat .

of course then ide get the boot but at least it will be out their in the public and I could live with myself .

not saying the MVA is fighting for us behind the closed doors . its possible but I doubt it . impossible to say for sure mind you . is your MP ??? its very possible at least on constituent's issues witch are normally not vet issues .

thing is regardless what they are fighting for even if is for vets they will leave the meetings praising the GOCs actions even if they disagree in the strongest way .

so to me they are all politician's and everything that goes with that . evil ? no doubt . stupid? check their pension ? they are still entitled to the originally designed for the military PA .

yaaaa they may sure as crap look stupid and some might be . but in general not in the least bit .

don't take long to get a pension there . I did 20 in the infantry as a Cpl . no RC ore kit shop . always in a fighting position the harder core the better . since I joined with a degree people called me stupid for joining . not to my face mind you but I heard .

after ALL of that I can tell ya ... awww never mind you know what id do if I were the MVA .

id never last long enough to get a pension lol.

but hey like pat ide wake a whole lot of people up.

WTF maybe ill run .

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Post by pinger on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 21:06

@ propat... " # 2 . is the MVA evil ? stupid ? are all politicians ? "

Pretty much imo but they have ulterior motives FIRST AND FOREMOST.

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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 13:36



Networking and social media, Brothers and Sisters.
Peace is a sunset.
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