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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by Teentitan on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 17:09

If you want to read Peter Stoffer's response from today go to the Latest News on VVi's main page. There's also one from Fantino.

A lot of news is posted daily on the Latest News in case you were all wondering.
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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by Bruce72 on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 16:43

Thanks for the info and kind words folks

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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by loggie on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 16:10

I just reveived this and wanted to share:
Karygiannis calls on the Harper Conservatives to

Walk-the-Walk with respect to the Equitas Lawsuit -



Statement by the Honourable Jim Karygiannis,

Member of Parliament for Scarborough-Agincourt and Liberal Critic for Veterans Affairs



Just before the Battle of Vimy Ridge, Canadian Prime Minister Sir Robert Borden spoke to the soldiers who were about to go into battle. In his speech, he said “As you go forward into this action, know that your courage is known to the Nation and know that no man, whether he comes home or remains in Flanders shall have cause to reproach the government for having broken faith.”



When one joins the Canadian Armed Forces, one is required to swear an oath to “be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second”. This oath is between the Canadian Forces member and the people of Canada, as represented by the Queen. In order to be valid, an oath must be reciprocal – the member promising to defend us and our way of life and the people to Canada, through the Queen, to act according to our respective laws and customs.



On January 31, 2014, the Harper Conservatives filed its “Response to Further Amended Notice of Civil Claim” in the Equitas lawsuit. Unfortunately, in this document, the Harper Conservative Government, through its lawyers, alleges “that the statements made by Sir Robert Borden and the coalition government in 1917 were political speeches that reflected the policy positions of the government at the time and were never intended to create a contract or covenant” and “that at no time were these statements intended to bind future governments.”



Every Canadian knows, in their heart, that we owe a great deal to the men and women who have agreed to defend us and our way of life. We know that if they do not come home, we must remember them and their ultimate sacrifice. We know that if they come home wounded, mentally or physically, we have an obligation to ensure that they are looked after and are able to live their lives in hope and with dignity and respect.



The Harper Conservatives have made a great show of remembering those who paid the ultimate sacrifice. However, they are giving short shrift to those who have returned home.



It is unconscionable that the Government of our country seems to care more about The War of 1812, than it does about the men and women who have returned home and are suffering. They have closed centres where veterans could go for one-on-one service and replaced them with Service Canada offices where veterans are told to call the 1-800 number or visit the Veterans Affairs website. They have not hired enough medical professionals to help those suffering with PTSD. In fact, one of their Members of Parliament, Cheryl Gallant, whose riding includes CFB Petawawa, said that "The stigma that has to be overcome is a stigma within themselves.” when referring to members of the Canadians Forces who do not seek help for their PTSD for fear of being declared unfit for service and losing their jobs.



Just yesterday, March 18, 2014, Prime Minister Harper declared that May 9th would be a national day of honour and "will recognize those who fought, remember those who fell, and salute all" who served in Afghanistan. He went on to say "We will stand together and honour the strength of our men and women in uniform, we will honour the strength of the Canadian families who faced heart-wrenching loss, we will honour the strength of our communities that supported them." Unfortunately, there was no mention of honouring and supporting those who came home injured.



It is time for the Harper Conservative Government to stop fighting our veterans. It is time the Harper Conservatives started to Walk the Walk and not just Talk the Talk.



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Recours collectif d’Equitas : M. Karygiannis exhorte les conservateurs de Harper à agir -



Déclaration de l’honorable Jim Karygiannis,

député de Scarborough-Agincourt et porte-parole libéral pour les affaires des anciens combattants



Juste avant la bataille de la crête de Vimy, le premier ministre du Canada, sir Robert Borden, s’est adressé aux soldats s’apprêtant à donner l’assaut. Il leur a déclaré que le pays reconnaissait leur courage et leur a assuré qu’aucun homme, qu’il rentre au pays ou qu’il reste dans les Flandres, n’aurait jamais à reprocher au gouvernement d’avoir manqué à sa parole envers lui.



Quand quelqu’un entre dans les Forces armées canadiennes, il doit prêter serment en jurant « fidélité et sincère allégeance à Sa Majesté la reine Elizabeth II ». Ce serment se conclut entre le membre des Forces canadiennes et le peuple canadien, représenté par la reine. Pour qu’il soit valide, un serment doit être réciproque : d’une part, le membre promet de défendre la population et les valeurs de notre pays, et, d’autre part, le peuple canadien, par l’entremise de la reine, promet d’agir en conformité avec nos lois et nos usages.



Le 31 janvier 2014, les conservateurs de M. Harper ont déposé leur réponse à l’avis de poursuite civile modifié d’Equitas. Malheureusement, dans ce document, le gouvernement conservateur, par la bouche de ses avocats, prétend que les déclarations faites par sir Robert Borden et le gouvernement de coalition de 1917 étaient des discours politiques qui reflétaient le point de vue stratégique du gouvernement de l’époque et qu’elles n’avaient jamais eu pour but de créer un contrat ou un pacte ou de contraindre les gouvernements à venir.



Les Canadiens savent, dans leur cœur, qu’ils ont une dette énorme envers les hommes et femmes qui ont accepté de défendre notre population et nos valeurs. Nous savons que s’ils ne reviennent pas à la maison, nous avons l’obligation de nous souvenir d’eux et de leur sacrifice ultime. Nous savons que s’ils rentrent blessés, que ce soit mentalement ou physiquement, nous avons l’obligation de veiller à ce qu’ils reçoivent des soins et puissent vivre leur vie avec espoir, dignité et respect.



Les conservateurs ont fait tout un tapage pour commémorer les soldats qui ont donné leur vie pour leur pays. Toutefois, ils se montrent beaucoup plus avares envers ceux qui sont rentrés au pays.



Il est inacceptable que le gouvernement de notre pays semble se soucier davantage de la Guerre de 1812 que des hommes et des femmes qui sont revenus chez nous et qui souffrent. Les conservateurs ont fermé des centres où les anciens combattants pouvaient recevoir des services personnalisés et les ont remplacés par des bureaux de Services Canada, où l’on dit aux anciens combattants d’appeler une ligne 1-800 ou de consulter le site Web d’Anciens Combattants. Ils n’ont pas embauché suffisamment de professionnels médicaux pour aider les soldats qui souffrent du syndrome de stress post-traumatique. En fait, une de leurs députés, Cheryl Gallant, dont la circonscription comprend la base de Petawawa, a déclaré que les stigmates que les anciens combattants devaient surmonter étaient des stigmates qu’ils s’infligeaient eux-mêmes, en faisant référence aux soldats qui n’osent pas demander de l’aide pour leur syndrome de stress post-traumatique par crainte d’être déclarés inaptes au service et de perdre leur emploi.



Hier encore, le 18 mars 2014, M. Harper a déclaré que le 9 mai serait Journée nationale de l’honneur et qu’en ce jour, « le Canada manifestera sa reconnaissance à ceux qui se sont battus, il se souviendra de ceux qui sont tombés au combat et il saluera tous ceux » qui ont contribué à la mission en Afghanistan. Il a poursuivi en disant « nous rendrons hommage ensemble au courage des hommes et des femmes qui portent notre uniforme, nous rendrons hommage au courage des familles canadiennes qui ont souffert de douloureuses pertes, nous rendrons hommage au courage des communautés qui les ont soutenus ». Malheureusement, il n’a pas été question d’honorer et de soutenir ceux qui rentrent blessés.



Il est temps que le gouvernement conservateur de M. Harper cesse de lutter contre les anciens combattants. Il est temps que les conservateurs de M. Harper commencent à agir au lieu de se contenter de beaux discours.



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Regards,



Jim Karygiannis Liberal
Scarborough-Agincourt
(416)-321 2788
(647) 723 0278
jim@jimkarygiannis.net
www.jimkarygiannis.net




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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by bigrex on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 14:57

Well, before the news conference, Peter Stoffer seemed pretty positive that when he sits down with Pharm Gill in the next few weeks, that they may be able to agree on making some quick changes to the NVC, including eliminating the ELB cutoff at 65. So if the Tories are willing to make that financial commitment, ELB retro might not be far behind.
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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by EZRider on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 11:57

Yes, good stuff, now can we get this thread back on the rails? Wink.

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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by Guest on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 09:26

good stuff bigrex

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Post by the cros on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 09:14

quoi de neuf sur elb retro??? y a t-il encore ESPOIR??? on dirait que plus les jours, les mois passent, plus nos chances diminuent.

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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by Guest on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 08:46

lmao bruce I here ya buds and feel the same . infantry for 20 did my fair share of fighting and when I was out I thought that was over. different enemy battlefield and weapons but it looks like disabled soldiers in Canada are required to fight till the day we die.

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Post by Guest on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 08:44

You know don't you feel they put that rule in there to purposely scare veterans on pension to keep there mouth shut just in case because they could take a hack saw to your monthly pension which most people need to survive

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Post by Guest on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 08:41

I feel the same Bruce , sometimes they make it sound like welfare

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Post by bigrex on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 08:40

Pension Act

B esides under the Powers of the Minister section, the PA also states

Part III Pensions

the pension shall, regardless of the cause of the change, be increased, decreased or discontinued, as the case requires, to reflect the new degree of actual disability in respect of that service, except that, if a member is receiving a pension in respect of more than one type of service referred to in subparagraph (i), the total pension payable by virtue of this subsection may not exceed the amount of pension for the total actual disability arising from all the service referred to in that subparagraph;

37. (1) [Repealed, 1990, c. 43, s. 14]
Marginal note:Permanent pension for disability

(2) Permanent pensions for disability shall be awarded, or pensions for disability shall be continued permanently, whenever the disability is, or becomes, apparently permanent in extent, but if it subsequently appears that the disability has changed in extent, the pension shall be adjusted accordingly.


So therefor the ability to decrease a pension is referred to, or alluded to, several times in the Pension Act.
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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by Bruce72 on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 08:39

I wish I could tell VAC, the minister and the conservative government to take their pensions and stick them where the sun doesn't shine. But, I need the money. FML

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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by Bruce72 on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 08:36

@ propat

Thank you.

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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by Guest on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 08:29

ok I understand


POWERS OF THE MINISTER

Marginal note:Powers of the Minister

5. (1) Subject to this Act and any other Act of Parliament and to the regulations made under this or any other Act of Parliament, the Minister has full power to decide on all matters and questions relating to the award, increase, decrease, suspension or cancellation of any pension or other payment under this Act and to the recovery of any overpayment that may have been made.

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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit

Post by Bruce72 on Thu 20 Mar 2014, 08:20

I have four separate pensions under the pension act, right foot, left foot, left knee and right knee are toast and I want to make sure I can be prepared in case VAC tries to pull a fast one at some point. I also received a lump sum award for PTSD, because I was stupid or drunk I'm not sure which and didn't apply for the pension in that case until after April 2006.

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