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Post by Teentitan on Fri 15 May 2015, 11:31

So back to the medical marijuana topic....

I've asked about this as at one point I thought about it because there is more ways now to use it. Vaporize, oil, mist spray, baking in cookies basically users choice.
There is a marijuana department at VAC to process the applications. From what I was told they are organized and take each application seriously.
Having a doctor prescribe it on the other hand is where the problem exists. My specialist told me he could write me a prescription right now but he would be on the hook if something was to happen.
Marijuana does not have a DIN number, Drug Identification Number. This is like a doctors get out of jail free card if say I was to get stoned out of my skull and do something that breaks the law. If the law I broke is serious enough the courts could make my doctor show up and possibly pull his medical degree.

There is a service now in New Brunswick (see Latest News for the story) that will help you get your Canadian Medical Marijuana card, do the VAC application, then find a doctor who will prescribe it to you.
This service is starting to expand across Canada. A service is setting up in Markham Ontario.
So what I think the Minister is trying to say, and this is just my opinion, he want's people to do their research and make sure this is the right way for you to handle your PTSD, chronic pain etc.

I asked my specialist if marijuana would work for my chronic back pain. He said maybe because it's dosage requirements that would be hard to find without having me baked all day long. I asked what about the pills and he said that there isn't a lot of information on the effects of pill form cannibas for him to make the right decision.

So in a way the Minister is right there isn't enough research on medical marijuana. He didn't say he was going to cut it off or out of VAC. He really wants us to do our research first.
I can almost bet that this will be a topic/issue that will be at the next CIMVHR (Canadian Institute of Military Veteran Health Research). It is time for some serious research.

Oh if anyone is doing chemo for any kind of cancer and you are offered it take it! I have had so many friends who did and did not take it. The ones who used it after chemo had less side effects of naseua, tiredness, eating etc. I'm not saying I'm a specialist but I noticed it also gave them more time because they weren't wasting energy on vomiting or being afraid to eat.

I like this topic Riddick so I'd love to hear if someone knows people who have used marijuana using various methods of delivery and how it helped or did not help.
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Re: So back to the medical marijuana topic....

Post by Ex Member on Fri 15 May 2015, 12:34

Teen , it must be a lot better than all the other prescription drugs! I used a ton of it while in high school , loved it and I remember feeling pretty dam good in the day. Then I get into the forces stop using it and come out a bag of bones waiting by mail boxes , doing recon at the area postal outlets, trying to bribe postal workers, sending Anttette and Christie at MC flowers and chocolates but nothing works. I remember the only paperwork I cared about was my pack of Zig Zag rolling papers , now I look at the trunk full of VaC and sisip papers and I wish I could smoke that. I might just look that number up in New Bruinswick about getting a prescription for it or maybe I'll just give JT a call and invite him down for a sit down with some of that 60s Trudeau weed he's been hoarding from his fathers estate!

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Post by Teentitan on Fri 15 May 2015, 12:42

Nav you are talking about being stoned when the reality of medical marijuana used properly allows you to "function" not "couch-surf" with a Costco monster chip bag.

Got to agree with the paperwork crap though.
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Post by Guest on Fri 15 May 2015, 12:58

teen the thing is it seems at least to me he is planting seeds for future action on this subject maybe even getting rid of it sometime post election . maybe im just paranoid who knows what would be the reason for someone to come out with such an idiotic statement .

I really don't think there is a cure for PTSD nor do I think there is a treatment for PTSD as a whole .

so in that I believe he is correct .

from what ive seen and read on the subject most if not ALL treatments for PTSD are geared toward reliving the symptoms .

medical marijuana has been proven just as effective at releaving symptoms of PTSD as all other treatments . works for some but not for all . all the treatments are like that .

so why the frack would this guy single out this one particular treatment ???? it sure as hell makes me very curious . what exactly does this guy have planned for the future ???? or was this guy just talking out of his but without putting an ounce of thought into what he was saying . time will tell I guess.

a buddy told me he just started ran-nabilone or something spelled similar to that lol. he said its a pill form of pot without the THC he is on a very small dose for now and no joy yet.

just what I was told if interested im sure there is a lot of info out there somewhere on this if interested but he did tell me there is little to no side effects again just what I was told.

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Post by Ex Member on Fri 15 May 2015, 13:07

Nothing beats those Costco chip bags, I'm heading out just to grab some, they'd go good with my COLA but no cola for this dude.

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Post by Teentitan on Fri 15 May 2015, 16:36

VAC can't get rid of medical marijuana unless Canada gets totally out of medical marijuana....that's a fact.

As for what O'Toole said I think it was an over the bow shot. Take a look at the situation over 60% of the $5million goes to Maritime clients. Why? The guy who set-up shop and helped vets thru the paperwork.

Now that this help is expanding to Ontario he's thinking how many applications will be coming in? How many of these claims are going to be real or bogus? How will all the bogus claims interfere with the real claims?

I think O'Toole was being both polite and informative to vets with his statement. We are now going to be vigilant on applications.

I think another question, and this is an access to information situation, is VAC now auditing the Maritime vets if their applications were legit? I can see them sending out medical updates/questionairres to a lot of vets in the Maritimes.

Not waving the O'Toole friendly flag here just being the devils advocate on this discussion.
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Post by Rags on Fri 15 May 2015, 17:08

Teen Ya may think we need to get back on topic but id say the view of the PM being and having a fundamentalist religious view is vital to understanding why they say and do what they do and how to predict what they are doing in the future. Specifically they are clamping down on distribution and accepting an opening up of medical cards.....but there in-lies the issue no one has seen. The plan is to allow med cards but to control the product....not for tax purpose but for taking the THC out of the weed they sell so it is high in DHTs? (I think thats right) and low in THC. So end result is dope that wont get you high. They know they are loosing the battle on medical weed so they have found a way to grant it and still keep there right wing beliefs. Sneaky bastards. Thats why you cant grow in your yard anymore if you have the card. The PM and his team are all hand picked they all have a fundamental Right wing back ground they all have the same belief system. It is very relevant when you argue with them and about them.

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Post by Teentitan on Fri 15 May 2015, 17:23

It is not a religious right wing situation...it is a situation of drug legality.

If it was what you say Rags Harper would have shut it down by now. He hasn't so therefore take the religious talk out of the conversation because it has absolutely nothing to contribute to the conversation.

Medical marijuana does not have a DIN so it can't be dispensed/prescribed by doctors. The ones that do prescribe it are doing it at their own risk. Remember what I said a DIN on a drug protects the doctor.

Marijuana is slowly becoming legal. Once a country legalize's it then the drug manufacturing companies will get it thru the red tape and get a DIN on every form it can be delivered. Smoke, pill, oil, inhaler.

If you believe that Harper will never legalize marijuana because of his religion then get it in writing from Trudeau and Mulcair they will legalize it for medical use and give it a DIN. I will guarentee they will never put it on paper but they will say it to your face to get you to believe them.

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Post by Guest on Fri 15 May 2015, 18:21

Teen, makes sense to me this has to do with legality, and perhaps not being fully educated on the methods that are now available for the wacky tobacky.
You could include me in those uneducated persons, I never touched the stuff in my life but was informed right here on CSAT about the different methods that's now available in it's use.
Can't really say if it helps - or not.
Some apparently have said it worked for them, so if that's what they want, gi....ver.
I saw that guy on the news that sets this stuff up for Veterans through DVA, he had a big plastic bottle on the table don't really know what's up with that.
Once it is proven - or if it is proven - and excepted for a DIN then it I would think would make it much easier to obtain.
Sounds to me what O'Toole was saying is that there's not enough proof that it does help in PTSD.
Perhaps he was reaching out for someone to show the evidence - or as you say putting out words of caution to Veterans.

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Post by Riddick on Fri 15 May 2015, 18:36

Like Teentitan, I play the devil's advocate as well.

I can somewhat understand the Ministers position as there are going to be some who will abuse the system. Unfortunately Minister O'Toole does not have a reference point or experience (other than possible recreation) on how it helps. I doubt he lies awake at night with flashbacks of the Rwanda Genocide where women, children and men lay face-down in the water with limbs missing from machete's. I am only one of many who have witnessed and remembered so much we wish we could wipe from our memory banks like it was never there. Or the physical pain for the many reasons attributed to military service.

It was a bold statement which in my mind should have never left his mouth. If he were to require hard meds that would work for a short while or reacted badly with other meds, he would know of the benefits. It is not a perfect world, most of us with issues would love to be as normal as normal can be, a little or even some compassion and understanding would be awesome. But as of late that would indeed be a welcomed surprise from the Cons.

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Post by Guest on Fri 15 May 2015, 19:45

WOW if he is worried about bogus claims in the system so people can abuse prescribed drugs why would he single out just one .

can you say codeine ??? morphine ???? oxycodone ??? can anyone spell these better than me lmao????


can you say any of the psychotropic drugs and compounds that are used and sometimes abused in every country in the free world ???


its a long list and they have been proven as effective, more effective and less effective at treating symptoms of PTSD as medical pot.

are all of these drugs that people like to abuse being put on notice as well ?????

rags just may have a point .

maybe not religious in nature  but there  does appear to be some sort of value system at play maybe not the MVA's but maybe the PM's or both ???
who knows .

one thing that is apparent to me after all the evidence showing how effective this drug can be in controlling symptoms of PTSD for some people this has nothing to do with actual medical facts from actual medical professionals.

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Post by bigrex on Fri 15 May 2015, 20:55

The thing is, they probably have an image stuck in their head, of Veterans, with all their medals starting to toke up in public. You do not have to smoke it, for it to be affective, as it also come in pill form, or as an aerosol, something like you would see an asthmatic use. And like I said before, that the timing of this, just before an election where their main opponent, will be attacked for his past pot use, and his plans to legalize it, can't be just coincidental. After all, they are prejudiced against it. They tightened the laws around its use. They reduced the number of legal growers in Canada, which raised the prices. And also put tighter restrictions on how much and what strength can be prescribed. Why else would they commission a report just on the use of this one treatment. Why not see how many Veterans are prescribed other narcotics, that are illegal to use without a prescription. It's a death by a thousand cuts, until they finally just refuse to pay for it altogether. After all, they just stopped paying for viagra, because heaven forbid Soldiers and Veterans have healthy sex lives. So it's not like they cannot stop covering a prescribed medicine, if it suits them.
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Post by Ex Member on Fri 15 May 2015, 21:08

They don't pay for Viagra anymore?

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Supreme Court's marijuana ruling a relief

Post by Teentitan on Fri 12 Jun 2015, 11:28

Hopefully this is the first roadblock cleared for getting a Drug Identification Number (DIN) for medicla marijuana! Oh and shame on Rona Ambrose reaction which was just shy of a hissy fit! Make a child with seizure problems smoke it rather then eat it.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/11/supreme-courts-marijuana-ruling-a-relief

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Post by Guest on Fri 12 Jun 2015, 13:12

ya teen I watched that more that a couple of times now and still cant believe it . seriously I thought she was going to cry.

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