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Post by Riddick on Fri 12 Jun 2015, 14:39

I don't think the Health Minister, Rona Ambrose has been taken out of context.

I just wish when people don't know what they are talking about to keep their gall darn mouth SHUT and stop speaking on behalf of Canadians! I am not for marijuana but I am not against it. It has been around for a long time and quite frankly no doctor or politician can tell me or anyone what takes the pain away or what can help you get on with your life. If no prescribed medicine can alleviate a child's seizures or PTSD symptoms who is some over-paid bureaucrat to tell you otherwise! If it works.....IT WORKS! Plain and simple.......perhaps kickbacks from the big pharmaceutical companies are not happy as more people are starting to speak out and don't need the stuff that kills your liver and stomach.

The government keeps regulating alcohol because they can tax it and make huge money from it, regardless how many drunk drivers kill people or domestics, bar fights etc are caused by it. How many people have been killed by persons using marijuana????.....Hey bud.....do you have any more chips I'm still hungry.

I never abuse my drugs......I take care of them very well......and will even talk to them now and then lol!

Let Canadians decide what we want or don't.

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Post by Guest on Fri 12 Jun 2015, 14:34

lol they do like to float the dirt out there because they know it sells don't they.

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Post by Teentitan on Fri 12 Jun 2015, 13:35

Ahh like all interviews with politicians I'd love to see the raw footage. I've been involved in interviews and have seen my fair share and tv news always goes for the negativity or bad response over logical, co-herent and well answered questions.

I had a interview chopped up and I was torn apart by other advocates and veterans.

News is now entertainment not informative.
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Post by Guest on Fri 12 Jun 2015, 13:25

ya I get all the reasons she would show her disagreement to the public so that much was to be expected . its how she went about it that shocked me kind of lost her noggin a bit hardly anything I would call even close to professional .

no not a rob ford type meltdown but certainly a red flag raise maybe her family and friends want to keep an eye on.

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Post by Teentitan on Fri 12 Jun 2015, 13:16

Actually I thought she was channeling Big Pharma's hissy fit. I strongly believe this once all the options of marijuana and various strains are created, studied, application methods is done a lot of synthetic drugs are only going one way....down the drain.
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Post by Guest on Fri 12 Jun 2015, 13:12

ya teen I watched that more that a couple of times now and still cant believe it . seriously I thought she was going to cry.

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Supreme Court's marijuana ruling a relief

Post by Teentitan on Fri 12 Jun 2015, 11:28

Hopefully this is the first roadblock cleared for getting a Drug Identification Number (DIN) for medicla marijuana! Oh and shame on Rona Ambrose reaction which was just shy of a hissy fit! Make a child with seizure problems smoke it rather then eat it.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/11/supreme-courts-marijuana-ruling-a-relief

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Post by Ex Member on Fri 15 May 2015, 21:08

They don't pay for Viagra anymore?

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Post by bigrex on Fri 15 May 2015, 20:55

The thing is, they probably have an image stuck in their head, of Veterans, with all their medals starting to toke up in public. You do not have to smoke it, for it to be affective, as it also come in pill form, or as an aerosol, something like you would see an asthmatic use. And like I said before, that the timing of this, just before an election where their main opponent, will be attacked for his past pot use, and his plans to legalize it, can't be just coincidental. After all, they are prejudiced against it. They tightened the laws around its use. They reduced the number of legal growers in Canada, which raised the prices. And also put tighter restrictions on how much and what strength can be prescribed. Why else would they commission a report just on the use of this one treatment. Why not see how many Veterans are prescribed other narcotics, that are illegal to use without a prescription. It's a death by a thousand cuts, until they finally just refuse to pay for it altogether. After all, they just stopped paying for viagra, because heaven forbid Soldiers and Veterans have healthy sex lives. So it's not like they cannot stop covering a prescribed medicine, if it suits them.
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Re: So back to the medical marijuana topic....

Post by Guest on Fri 15 May 2015, 19:45

WOW if he is worried about bogus claims in the system so people can abuse prescribed drugs why would he single out just one .

can you say codeine ??? morphine ???? oxycodone ??? can anyone spell these better than me lmao????


can you say any of the psychotropic drugs and compounds that are used and sometimes abused in every country in the free world ???


its a long list and they have been proven as effective, more effective and less effective at treating symptoms of PTSD as medical pot.

are all of these drugs that people like to abuse being put on notice as well ?????

rags just may have a point .

maybe not religious in nature  but there  does appear to be some sort of value system at play maybe not the MVA's but maybe the PM's or both ???
who knows .

one thing that is apparent to me after all the evidence showing how effective this drug can be in controlling symptoms of PTSD for some people this has nothing to do with actual medical facts from actual medical professionals.

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Post by Riddick on Fri 15 May 2015, 18:36

Like Teentitan, I play the devil's advocate as well.

I can somewhat understand the Ministers position as there are going to be some who will abuse the system. Unfortunately Minister O'Toole does not have a reference point or experience (other than possible recreation) on how it helps. I doubt he lies awake at night with flashbacks of the Rwanda Genocide where women, children and men lay face-down in the water with limbs missing from machete's. I am only one of many who have witnessed and remembered so much we wish we could wipe from our memory banks like it was never there. Or the physical pain for the many reasons attributed to military service.

It was a bold statement which in my mind should have never left his mouth. If he were to require hard meds that would work for a short while or reacted badly with other meds, he would know of the benefits. It is not a perfect world, most of us with issues would love to be as normal as normal can be, a little or even some compassion and understanding would be awesome. But as of late that would indeed be a welcomed surprise from the Cons.

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Post by Guest on Fri 15 May 2015, 18:21

Teen, makes sense to me this has to do with legality, and perhaps not being fully educated on the methods that are now available for the wacky tobacky.
You could include me in those uneducated persons, I never touched the stuff in my life but was informed right here on CSAT about the different methods that's now available in it's use.
Can't really say if it helps - or not.
Some apparently have said it worked for them, so if that's what they want, gi....ver.
I saw that guy on the news that sets this stuff up for Veterans through DVA, he had a big plastic bottle on the table don't really know what's up with that.
Once it is proven - or if it is proven - and excepted for a DIN then it I would think would make it much easier to obtain.
Sounds to me what O'Toole was saying is that there's not enough proof that it does help in PTSD.
Perhaps he was reaching out for someone to show the evidence - or as you say putting out words of caution to Veterans.

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Post by Teentitan on Fri 15 May 2015, 17:23

It is not a religious right wing situation...it is a situation of drug legality.

If it was what you say Rags Harper would have shut it down by now. He hasn't so therefore take the religious talk out of the conversation because it has absolutely nothing to contribute to the conversation.

Medical marijuana does not have a DIN so it can't be dispensed/prescribed by doctors. The ones that do prescribe it are doing it at their own risk. Remember what I said a DIN on a drug protects the doctor.

Marijuana is slowly becoming legal. Once a country legalize's it then the drug manufacturing companies will get it thru the red tape and get a DIN on every form it can be delivered. Smoke, pill, oil, inhaler.

If you believe that Harper will never legalize marijuana because of his religion then get it in writing from Trudeau and Mulcair they will legalize it for medical use and give it a DIN. I will guarentee they will never put it on paper but they will say it to your face to get you to believe them.

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Post by Rags on Fri 15 May 2015, 17:08

Teen Ya may think we need to get back on topic but id say the view of the PM being and having a fundamentalist religious view is vital to understanding why they say and do what they do and how to predict what they are doing in the future. Specifically they are clamping down on distribution and accepting an opening up of medical cards.....but there in-lies the issue no one has seen. The plan is to allow med cards but to control the product....not for tax purpose but for taking the THC out of the weed they sell so it is high in DHTs? (I think thats right) and low in THC. So end result is dope that wont get you high. They know they are loosing the battle on medical weed so they have found a way to grant it and still keep there right wing beliefs. Sneaky bastards. Thats why you cant grow in your yard anymore if you have the card. The PM and his team are all hand picked they all have a fundamental Right wing back ground they all have the same belief system. It is very relevant when you argue with them and about them.

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Re: So back to the medical marijuana topic....

Post by Teentitan on Fri 15 May 2015, 16:36

VAC can't get rid of medical marijuana unless Canada gets totally out of medical marijuana....that's a fact.

As for what O'Toole said I think it was an over the bow shot. Take a look at the situation over 60% of the $5million goes to Maritime clients. Why? The guy who set-up shop and helped vets thru the paperwork.

Now that this help is expanding to Ontario he's thinking how many applications will be coming in? How many of these claims are going to be real or bogus? How will all the bogus claims interfere with the real claims?

I think O'Toole was being both polite and informative to vets with his statement. We are now going to be vigilant on applications.

I think another question, and this is an access to information situation, is VAC now auditing the Maritime vets if their applications were legit? I can see them sending out medical updates/questionairres to a lot of vets in the Maritimes.

Not waving the O'Toole friendly flag here just being the devils advocate on this discussion.
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