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Post by Guest on Thu 15 Sep 2016, 16:07

Veterans Affairs officials focus on cons in medical marijuana discussion.

Sept 15, 1016

The Canadian government is expected to unveil a new policy on medical marijuana for veterans in the coming weeks and some veterans are concerned their access will be restricted.

Veterans Affairs Minister Kent Hehr was told by officials earlier this year that there is no proof medical marijuana has reduced veterans’ reliance on opioids and other drugs.

OTTAWA—Veterans Affairs Minister Kent Hehr was briefed on concerns and questions about medical marijuana use in a presentation to earlier this year, including fears that paying for injured ex-soldiers’ pot could actually hurt them.

But noticeably absent was discussion about the positive benefits of medical marijuana, including whether it has reduced veterans’ reliance on opioids and other drugs.

Instead, in a separate briefing note, officials told Hehr that they had not been able to prove a link between the two.

The documents, obtained by The Canadian Press through the Access to Information Act, have reinforced concerns among some veterans that the government is about to restrict their access to cannabis.

The government is expected to unveil a new policy on medical marijuana for veterans in the coming weeks, after auditor general Michael Ferguson reported in May that Veterans Affairs paid more than $20 million for pot last year, up from $5 million a year earlier.

Ferguson said the department, which will pay for up to 10 grams of weed a day for each veteran, had lost control of the program, although some veterans’ groups have pushed back, saying any reduction or change to the benefits will hurt injured ex-soldiers.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/09/15/veterans-affairs-officials-focus-on-cons-in-medical-marijuana-discussion.html

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Post by Teentitan on Thu 15 Sep 2016, 16:24

Yeah let's help the veterans from kicking their opioid use so big pharma profits don't fall too much.

In the words of the great Archie Bunker....You (VAC) are a Meathead!!!
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Post by Guest on Thu 15 Sep 2016, 16:33

Well there's one thing we know for certain, our Minister is no leader, he is definitely a follower, so whatever his told, he will do.

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Post by Teentitan on Thu 15 Sep 2016, 17:15

If you look at this whole gong show on medical marijuana it's purpose is for one reason only...to lower the daily amount.

That said do not be shocked when it comes out, pretty soon, that the max will be 3 grams/day.
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Post by Panserbjørn on Thu 15 Sep 2016, 17:23

I personally do find 10g/day to be excessive.

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Post by Vet1234 on Thu 15 Sep 2016, 17:46

Panserbjørn wrote:I personally do find 10g/day to be excessive.

Maybe for you personally 10 grams a day is high. As the Devils advocate, someone could say the same about high dosage opiate prescriptions. A person could be using what other people think is a high dosage of Percocet or Oxy and find that it works. I think it depends on tolerance and method of use. If you burned 10 grams a day the effects would be different than if you ate or drank 10 grams worth of food or tea in a day.
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Post by Guest on Thu 15 Sep 2016, 18:00

All I can say is that if the Minister lowers the grams or alters the policy in a way that is worse off of what is in place now, he is not doing Veterans any good and he may even end up costing the government more as this may force many to go back on the high cost drugs which gives Veterans far more side effects than Medical Cannabis. If anything, he should be boosting up the program, not dismantling it. Nevertheless, like I said, he is a follower and will do what is suggested to him by his peers, and will never do what Veterans suggest. Something we all must come to grips with.

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Post by Teentitan on Thu 15 Sep 2016, 18:04

And Trooper wins the Perfect Description Award in describing our fearless Minister!\

Congrats trooper now you tell your wife you have earned a cookie. LOL
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Post by Rifleman on Thu 15 Sep 2016, 18:30

I would like to smoke some pot wright in front of our so called minister and then grab a big fracking cast iron pot and hit him over the head with it and hopefully this would nock some sence in that Mellon of his

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Vet officials were down on medical pot

Post by Guest on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 06:53

Vet officials were down on medical pot.

Sep 15, 2016

OTTAWA — Veterans Affairs Minister Kent Hehr was briefed on many of the concerns and questions about medical marijuana use in a presentation earlier this year, including fears that paying for injured ex-soldiers' pot could actually make matters worse.

Noticeably absent, however, was any discussion about the potential positive benefits of medical marijuana, despite many veterans claiming it has helped them deal with physical and mental injuries such as post-traumatic stress disorder.

The documents, obtained by The Canadian Press through Access to Information, have puzzled one researcher and reinforced concerns among some veterans that the government is about to put more restrictions on their access to cannabis to save money.

The government is expected to unveil a new policy on medical marijuana for veterans in the coming weeks, after Auditor General Michael Ferguson's report in May that Veterans Affairs spent more than $20 million in 2015-16, up from $5 million the previous year.

Ferguson said the department, which will cover up to 10 grams of weed per veteran per day, had lost control of the program. But some veterans' groups have pushed back, saying Ferguson was wrong to focus only on cost, and that any reduction to the benefits will have a detrimental impact on injured ex-soldiers.

In an emailed statement, Hehr described medical marijuana as "an emerging field and a complex issue with many facets to consider." He said officials have been meeting with medical professionals, experts and veterans "to get the fullest picture possible of how any policy developed will impact veterans."

In her presentation to Hehr on March 2, Veterans Affairs chief medical officer Dr. Cyd Courchesne quoted a number of authorities and researchers that had questioned the use of marijuana for medical purposes.

"The CMA (Canadian Medical Association) still believes there is insufficient scientific evidence available to support the use of marijuana for clinical purposes," reads one slide.

Another noted that a literature review by the Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technology in Health Canada had found "no relevant evidence to support the use of dried cannabis for medical treatment for any medical condition including PTSD."

Courchesne cited two studies from the U.S. that had found marijuana could actually make matters worse for people suffering from PTSD.

A discussion section near the end of the presentation noted that Veterans Affairs is the only organization that pays for marijuana, adding: "Funding the purchase of marijuana for veterans could be detrimental to recovery and well-being (e.g., second-order effects, such as drug-use disorders)."

Zach Walsh, co-director of the University of British Columbia's Centre for the Advancement of Psychological Science and Law, said there is also research that suggests cannabis is helpful for those suffering from PTSD — and he questioned why Veterans Affairs didn't include it.

Walsh also wondered why Veterans Affairs did not make any mention of the claims from dozens if not hundreds of veterans about the benefits of marijuana.

Walsh, who recently launched a clinical research project on the medical effects of marijuana, said the reality is that there hasn't been enough research to determine either way. But he said to dismiss it outright is wrong.

"If we're going to respect the veterans and respect people with PTSD, we have to test it before we say that it's no good," he said. "They say this is tremendously effective. Let's try to improve that knowledge."

Sylvain Chartrand, director of Canadian Veterans Advocacy, said the presentation raises concerns that officials are trying to steer the minister and government toward severely restricting access to medical marijuana for veterans.

"It highlights that they want the minister to go one way," said Chartrand, who says he uses about eight grams of marijuana per day. "The research may not be there, but it's a fact that it does work."

Veterans Affairs has paid for medical marijuana for veterans since 2008, following a court decision requiring reasonable access when authorized by a health-care practitioner.

The number of clients — and the associated cost — has exploded since 2014, when regulatory changes at Health Canada and a new Veterans Affairs policy allowed up to 10 grams per veteran per day, double the amount recommended by Health Canada.

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/6859809-vet-officials-were-down-on-medical-pot/

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Post by 1993firebird on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 16:27

I received my first order.

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Post by Vet1234 on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 17:15

That's awesome!
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Post by Bruce72 on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 17:56

Again, I don't care what the science says or does not say, or what so-called experts say. The fact is, medical cannabis, has made my life better. Pills are the wrong way to go for me. I was a mess on the pills, with medical cannabis I have none of the side effects I experienced on a pill regimen.

Minister Hehr, if you're reading this, look before you leap. Don't listen to the Auditor General, because his job is to be a cheap skate. Rather than adjust the budget, with regards to medical marijuana, I suggest MP's lower their salaries and per diems.

You can't put a price on the mental well being of Veterans.

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Post by 1993firebird on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 18:40

Erectile dysfunction side effect.

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Post by Guest on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 19:22

Bruce, the problem were facing with Kent on this matter and every other matter is that Kent likes to travel a lot, he loves photo ops, and by the looks of things enjoys eating out and socializing with people. Everything he is faced with regarding our file is passed down for others to handle. He has a sidekick to aid or help him answer the basic questions regarding our file, those groups that are given the task to handle what he has passed down to them, report back to him with the solution or implementation, once this is done, Kent simply reports what was reported to him. This way, issues or matters that pertains to our file does not interfere with his glamorous travels and his socializing. In other words he is going to precede on what those bureaucrats say or suggest, Veterans are only used for PR, not for our suggestions or recommendations. He is fooling a lot of people, including Veterans, that's my opinion.

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