Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

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Post by Artie Simm on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 00:25

Rustytheviking wrote:I was approved dec this past week. I had been fighting my case mangler for the better part of 2 years till I had enough. He felt I didn't deserve, despite not being able to work. Took a whole 3 weeks from start to finish
well not really, sounds more like 2 years 3 weeks
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Post by Rustytheviking on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 11:27

3 weeks from when I put my foot down. I'm not counting the time my cm didn't want to work for me

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Post by Artie Simm on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 14:11

found this today, it might be of help to one and all.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/organization/bureau-pensions-advocates
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Post by Vet1234 on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 21:11

anyone have any info on the "earnings capacity assessment tool" used to determine a veterans earning capacity for calculation of CIA level?
I personally think that if veterans are unable to work at all and TPI/DEC, the earning capacity should be 0%. apparently many vets who had a CIA reassessment in April, who were Unable to work and had over 15 years of time left to serve, were assigned an "earning capacity" of over 33% and moved up only one level.
I would love to see this magical tool and formula that decides a veteran whose doctor says they are unable to work at all, has any earning capacity other than 0%.
anyone??
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Post by pinger on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 21:37

Never heard of an earnings capacity assessment tool Vet1234.
Sounds like a MyVac or VaC site math tool.

Only my opinion... but I wouldn't even waste my time.
Perhaps it's helpful to others though.
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Post by nemo on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 11:02

I wish the government would be more honest to the people about this CIA.... Most of us that can't work don't qualify for it. How many did out of the all the disabled? This system needs a serious revamp.

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Post by nemo on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 11:03

The CIA should be across the board. ALL members who are on SISIP or CPP(D) or other program because they have been deemed unable to work, should qualify. But that just ain't so.

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Post by Trooper on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 15:51

nemo wrote:I wish the government would be more honest to the people about this CIA.... Most of us that can't work don't qualify for it. How many did out of the all the disabled?  This system needs a serious revamp.

I agree, the whole system needs a revamp. They can start by getting rid of all those bureaucrats who work on our file. Veterans are being taken advantage of by it's own government and those who work within our file. We do not have a union and pretty much rely on some advocacy and the media to have our concerns heard. But that's about as far as it goes, they are all milking the system making it seem as though what they are doing for disabled Veterans is above and beyond respect in the work they do in providing the New Charter and all the benefits that come with it. Our only option at this point is to educate the public and the media on exactly those sinful tactics they continue to use. They are all laughing at us knowing the scope of disrespect they can get away with, disrespect in the form of putting their self interest ahead of those disabled members who served our Country. Unfortunately this will continue as we can clearly see, it is an ongoing problem for disabled Veterans that will end up not getting the respectful benefits that they all deserve. I'm not one to force my beliefs onto others, but I hope I'm not the only member of this forum who is thinking all of this unfairness that is brought upon us by our government. Nevertheless, regardless of divisions on the subject in question, we still should all be entitled to our opinion, an opinion that should never be forced onto others.
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Post by Bruce72 on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 16:41

If I understand the process. The thing about the CIA is you only qualify if you have an approved Rehab plan developed or completed with VAC. And have been found to have a severe and permanent disability.

I have a friend who has a disability award from 2011 at 70% and receives SISIP LTD. But has not opted for a Rehab plan with VAC. So he is disqualified from CIA/S.

I believe it is a deliberate move by the Feds to deny veterans benefits, unless you follow their cookie cutter system of connect the dots to recovery or the best version of you therein.

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Post by bigrex on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 21:42

the problem is, many Veterans believe that the rehab program, is identical to that of SISIP, and that the only objective is to get the Veteran back into the workforce. This is not true, and VAC has done a piss poor job at getting that information out into the veterans community. The rehab program could be used to approve psychological treatment, massage therapy, service animals, or even schooling for the veteran's spouse, if the Veteran is too disable to work. I've been on the rehab program for several years, and when my wife decided to be retrained, they paid for her to take a 2 year social work program. they then agreed to pay for two follow-up courses to learn Sign Language, simply because it will make her resume stand out once she starts the job search.
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Post by nemo on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 01:38

I agree Bigrex. Many vets don't realize the rehab does not have the sole purpose of returning the vet to a job. But most will still not qualify even if permanently disabled and get CPP(D) and or Sisip because they don't meet the following

' the Veteran permanently requires supervision, is severely and permanently limited in mobility or self-care, has conditions such as an amputation or a total and permanent loss of vision or hearing or speech, or a severe and permanent psychiatric condition.'

The CIA is for a select few and has nothing to do with career impact for the vast majority.

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Post by Trooper on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 06:11

Personally I have no problem with any rehab program in terms of the program itself, what I do have a problem with is using the rehab program as a prerequisite for obtaining other disability benefits.

No disabled Veteran should be forced into any rehab program for any reason or reasons, the rehab program should always be available for those who wish to participate in it on a voluntary basis.
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Post by bosn181 on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 11:44

as always very well said trooper when i first moved to pei my cm meet me at my home for a visit and kept insisting i go to rehab so i made a deal with her if she approved house cleaning on my vip which they gave me years ago and took away then i would go to rehab which she agreed to

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Post by bog6 on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 20:57


DEC finally completed, have had EIA for a couple years and now since DEC has finally been approved, CM is trying to get the CIA and supplement instead.

has anyone been in this ship before.

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Post by Trooper on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 06:11

bog6 wrote:
DEC finally completed, have had EIA for a couple years and now since DEC has finally been approved, CM is trying to get the CIA and supplement instead.

has anyone been in this ship before.

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I never heard of anyone having their EIA switched to CIA, in fact I was told it could not be done.

So I would appreciate if you can keep us up to date on your quest to have this changed.
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