Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Dannypaj on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 06:48

Comparison:
VETERAN #1 Released just before me and is on the Pensions Act (he attempted suicide while serving). He survived, was medically released and is now receiving over $5,000 tax free dollars the rest  of his life without the BS of ELB, CIA, CIA(s) and whatever else they can throw at you to make it feel as though you're being well looked after.
VETERAN #2 Same release, but under the NVC. Veteran has to apply for ELB, CIA, CIA(s) and which is a long drawn out process that  can take many years (I know). So,if we are all equal and the NVC is much more superior then the PA...well you all better shake your heads bureaucrats.

Which vet has less worries Veteran #1 under the PA, or VETERAN #2 under the NVC?
Rocket science at it's finest.

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Post by ScottyG on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 12:09

How did he or she get $5000 I assume, per month from Pension Act tax free for life? It doesnt add up.

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Post by Dannypaj on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 12:55

He or she is married, with three dependants and is under the old Pension Act.
Not sure if he rounded it up to $5,000, or with the added allowances it brings it up to this figure, which he clearly stated to me.
I didn't want to pry more, but that is what he said.
Unbelievable.
My father an ex Airborne Sgt-major (31 years) retired and making less, go figure.
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Your only military when it serves the military's purpose, besides that your on their criteria if your on duty/ or off duty BS.
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Post by Guest on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 17:14

Dannypaj wrote:He or she is married, with three dependants and is under the old Pension Act.
Not sure if he rounded it up to $5,000, or with the added allowances it brings it up to this figure, which he clearly stated to me.
I didn't want to pry more, but that is what he said.
Unbelievable.
My father an ex Airborne Sgt-major (31 years) retired and making less, go figure.
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Your only military when it serves the military's purpose, besides that your on their criteria if your on duty/ or off duty BS.

100% correct Danny,

Here's a link to prove it: http://www.veterans.gc.ca/pdf/services/disability-pension/Disability-Pension-Rates-2017.pdf

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Post by bigrex on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 22:19

Yes, if he is at 100%, he can get pretty close to that amount, or more if getting Attendance Allowance. And he can still apply for ELB, CIA and CIAS.
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Hell of way to make the same as a BGeneral !

Post by ScottyG on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 10:36

So all this could happen? Trooper and Big Rex?
$5000 per month tax free ( if it was taxed it would have to be  $6500min )
$1808 per month Attendance Allowance
$600 per month CIA
$1199 per month CIA S
$_____ per month 90% of release pay (min 3808 per month ....44496 per yr)

If the ELB is at min level it works out to a Total of $13815.00 per month or $165780 per year

This Veteran  income would be the same  as a BGen or a retired LtGen !

He or she could get $40-80000 for education if not the spouse is entitled  
They will motify a truck to drive if required
They will pay for a scooter
They will motify a home too
If you have B level coverage all medical care is paid for too.

I want to talk to this person. I wonder if he exists !

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Post by bigrex on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 12:49

Yes, other than the $5000/mo PA pension, it could absolutely happen, if the person qualifies for a higher grade of CIA. The maximum PA pension for a Married Veteran with 3 children is $4236.

So a totally disabled PA veteran could possibly get the following amounts every month, but it would be extremely unlikely that they would get the maximum for each benefit

$4236 PA pension
$1808 AA
= $6044 tax free, plus
$1799 CIA
$1104 CIAS
and a minimum $3700 ELB
= $6602 before taxes.

Plus most other possible medical need, as well as VIP.
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Post by By the Bay on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 16:17

Is this a mythical scenario? I would love it if it were a true story! Could you imagine if there were veterans that actually received the maximum amount for all eligible benefits...it would even be a more fabulous scenario if those veterans received the all the benefits on their first application! I think it's just a pipe dream! Sad
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Post by Guest on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 17:20

Here's the deal on the amounts a Veteran @ 100% fully receiving benefits from the old pension act.

The numbers posted in the above post are absolutely correct, I provided a link the other day which I'll provide again at the end of this post proving those numbers to be correct.

To make it a bit more interesting using the 2017 numbers from the link, Disability Pension Rates, let's take a Single Veteran with a 100% Disability fully from the Pension Act,

1. Disability Pension

2. Veterans Independence Program

3. Attendance Allowance

4. Exceptional Incapacity Allowance

5. Clothing Allowance

No Spouse, no children and you don't even need the full grade of the allowances to easily reach the $5000.00 tax free Monthly amount.

Just the above, forget about anything else, the point is no matter how one cuts it or slices it, the New Veterans Charter does not come close to the security of the old pension act.

Further to this it is a fact that pre 2006 a Veteran at 100% could have one visit from their case manager for all the above benefits to be applied and approved for, One Visit!

It is my view that this new charter wasn't so much about saving money via taxes, but more geared towards securing those bureaucrats who enacted the charter ensuring long term security in the form of employment for themselves.

Those old pension days secured all disabled Veterans without adding any pressure of rehab or transition BS that is only a problem because the disabled Veteran does not have the lifelong security that once was in place.

I need not have to go any further, because the facts speak for themselves, the link of rates speaks for itself.

The reason there's so much confusion and frustration today is because of the above facts.

2017 Disability Pension Rates:

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/pdf/services/disability-pension/Disability-Pension-Rates-2017.pdf

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Post by By the Bay on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 10:27

Has anyone who applied in March or April receive their decision letter yet for CIA? I called VAC this morning to find out the current Service Standard timeline on completing CIA applications. The VAC lady said that they are only a few weeks behind in completing CIA application and that most applications were being completed in the 12 to 16 weeks timeframe! My husband called an hour later to inquire about a different matter and he also asked about CIA Service Standard timeline. VAC person said 18 to 24 weeks waiting times! So which is it? 12 to 16 weeks or 18 to 24 weeks! scratch
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Post by bigrex on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 12:15

Well according to VAC website, a CIA application should only take 16 weeks, like disability awards, but that clock only starts when they have all the necessary documentation. And last year, they were only able to meet that standard 52% of the times.

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by ScottyG on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 19:59

answer found

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Post by ScottyG on Fri 11 Aug 2017, 23:20

Question I got approved for CIA but not CIA S i have the DEC approved why wouldnt i get CIAs ?

Has anyone else had this happen ?

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Post by Guest on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 06:27

ScottyG wrote:Question I got approved for CIA but not CIA S i have the DEC approved why wouldnt i get CIAs ?

Has anyone else had this happen ?

Why wouldn't you get CIAS?

If I was approved for the CIA and was deemed DEC, but was denied CIAS, I would contact VAC to ask them why I was denied the CIAS, and I would reference the following to them:

CIA supplement

Veterans who receive the Career Impact Allowance, and who are deemed to have diminished earning capacity, are also eligible for the career impact allowance supplement.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/services/transition/rehabilitation/career-impact-allowance


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Post by ScottyG on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 17:56

Totally confused will contact them next week. Maybe there is some lag time when you file for CIA and CIAs at the same time. Once you get CIA and have DEC it should be automatic. Has anyone else applied for both on the same date and received delays in the awarding both benefits at the same time?

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