Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

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Post by Vet1234 on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 18:35

that happened to me. I applied for both at the same time. at the time of my CIA application I hadn't been deemed TPI yet. The decision letter said no CIAS because I wasn't TPI. I re-applied online and called VAC. I was approved the supplement with in a week.
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Post by ScottyG on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 18:41

Vet 1234
I was deemed DEC many months ago May 2017 . do they back date if its an appeal and you win?

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Post by ScottyG on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 18:48

I am curious about when you appeal CIA &/or CIA s and you win the appeal what date do they use for back payment?

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Post by Vet1234 on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 18:52

they should date it back
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Post by ScottyG on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 19:02

I never received my †letter of explaination. I will review it when it arrives, had to request a dupilate copy. †My original application was rejected based on no current med, so I appealed †and submitted a current med and was approved for CIA not CIA s.

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Post by Vet1234 on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 20:01

I have an appeal in for my PIA as well. An application that is not complete (insufficient or non complete) should not reach adjudication. there is no checklist for a CIA application and the ombudsmen agrees that an application that reaches adjudication and is incomplete is the result of a lack of due diligence on the part of a CM.
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Post by Vet1234 on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 20:03

appeal the date citing a lack of clarity on documents needed to make a decision and poor case management oversight.
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Post by ScottyG on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 20:28

Vet 1234 How long did you wait for an answer to your appeal? Did you involve the BPA in doig so?

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Post by Trooper on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 06:46

Scotty,

I'm thinking with the CIAS, it may just be a case where your deemed DEC was not seen or missed when your application was submitted.

You can now apply for the CIAS through my account, however, in your particular case where you already applied for and was denied, it's best to contact VAC and tell them your situation that you have been deemed DEC and are receiving the CIA. They may be able to speed things up for you, and they can advise you on whether you need to appeal or not.

Regarding payable date, I would think they would back date your CIAS to the date from which you first applied if you were deemed DEC at the time of that application, if not deemed DEC at the time of application, they will only go back to when you have been deemed DEC.

CIA Date Payable

The CIA and an increase in the grade level due to a reassessment, begins to be payable on the later of:

a. the day on which the application for the allowance was made (see the Application section of this policy); and

b. the day that is one year prior to the day on which the application for the allowance is approved, i.e. one year prior to the decision date; and

c. the day after the day of the memberís release from the CAF.

The effective date cannot pre-date the later of the decisions by which the Veteran has an application for rehabilitation services approved and has been granted a disability benefit for the health problem(s) that are causing the permanent and severe impairment.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/2126#anchor57640

CIAS Date Payable

The CIA supplement begins to be payable the later of:

a. the day on which the application for the supplement was made (see the Application section of this policy);

b. the day that is one year prior to the day on which the application for the supplement is approved, i.e. one year prior to the decision date.

c. the day after the day of the member's release from the CAF.

The effective date cannot pre-date the decision by which the Veteran is determined to have a DEC.

The effective date cannot predate October 3, 2011 (i.e. the implementation date of the Enhanced New Veterans Charter Act.)

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/2126#anchor57649
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Newfie on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 14:48

Scotty I questioned why my CIA and CIA supp was not approved at same time and I was told some BS story that they only looked at my CIA application and I had to reapply for the supplement

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Post by Newfie on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 14:52

Scotty, I was on 2nd level appeal that VAC received on 24 April 2017. My initial application was on 8 Sep 2016. †I received letter in July and was backed dated to VAC decision date of 18 May 2017. More BS


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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by ScottyG on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 18:19

Newfie: Can you review your dates
8 sept 2016 -initial appl for CIA and Cias ?
1st level appeal _____ for both? Where both rejected?
2nd level appeal 24th april 2017 was this Letter recieved for CIA and CIA(S) approvals??
July was it for CIA S and when did you get the CIA?
Back dated to May 18 2017 ...was that the date of your DEC favorable decision if not what date was that?



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Post by ScottyG on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 18:40

Trooper wrote:Scotty,

I'm thinking with the CIAS, it may just be a case where your deemed DEC was not seen or missed when your application was submitted.

You can now apply for the CIAS through my account, however, in your particular case where you already applied for and was denied, it's best to contact VAC and tell them your situation that you have been deemed DEC and are receiving the CIA. They may be able to speed things up for you, and they can advise you on whether you need to appeal or not.

Regarding payable date, I would think they would back date your CIAS to the date from which you first applied if you were deemed DEC at the time of that application, if not deemed DEC at the time of application, they will only go back to when you have been deemed DEC.


I have a feeling that is the case "in another pile". Newfie said she appeal for both at the same time and after 2nd level appeal she was required to resubmit for CIA S ....seems newfie really got the run around.

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Post by Trooper on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 18:55

ScottyG wrote:
Trooper wrote:Scotty,

I'm thinking with the CIAS, it may just be a case where your deemed DEC was not seen or missed when your application was submitted.

You can now apply for the CIAS through my account, however, in your particular case where you already applied for and was denied, it's best to contact VAC and tell them your situation that you have been deemed DEC and are receiving the CIA. They may be able to speed things up for you, and they can advise you on whether you need to appeal or not.

Regarding payable date, I would think they would back date your CIAS to the date from which you first applied if you were deemed DEC at the time of that application, if not deemed DEC at the time of application, they will only go back to when you have been deemed DEC.


I have a feeling that is the case "in another pile". Newfie said she appeal for both at the same time and after 2nd level appeal she was required to resubmit for CIA S ....seems newfie really got the run around.

As long as you make sure they know that you were CIA and DEC on your FIRST CIAS application, I'm assuming from what I read from your post that was the case. Record it all and like I said hopefully it's just a matter of you writing a letter detailing the situation and they approve your CIAS from the date of your first CIAS application.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by ScottyG on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 18:59

Yes but CIA S can never predate the DEC approval which was May 2017.

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