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Post by pinger on Tue 19 Sep 2017, 00:12

Happy for you Teager, Thumbs up  ! Wink
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Post by Teager on Mon 18 Sep 2017, 21:54

Thanks Trooper and Vet1234.

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Post by Vet1234 on Mon 18 Sep 2017, 16:13

I agree with Trooper, you SHOULD get back pay to the date of application, but I had a different experience. They dated my CIA to the date in which they received all the information from my doctor, not the date which i applied. VAC claimed that my application was only considered "complete" when they received the med info. I disagree. Your CM or an intake worker can give you specifics.
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Post by Guest on Mon 18 Sep 2017, 15:11

Teager wrote:Received a favourable decision today. So a full 24 weeks for a decision. Only problem is I don't see any funds being back dates to date of application only this months payment of CIA. Am I correct that VAC should pay back to date of application which is April 1st for me?

Congrats on getting approved Teager.

You should get back paid from the date of application, if you were to contact VAC they should be able to see it in the system, it just may not of have been finalized or sent yet.

Career Impact Allowance

When allowance payable

39 The career impact allowance under subsection 38(2) and an increase to the career impact allowance under subsection 38(3) begin to be payable on the latest of

(a.) the day on which the application for the allowance or increase, as the case may be, is made;

(b.) the day that is one year prior to the day on which the application for the allowance or increase, as the case may be, is approved; and

(c.) the day after the day on which the member is released from the Canadian Forces.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-16.8/page-5.html

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Post by Teager on Mon 18 Sep 2017, 14:38

Received a favourable decision today. So a full 24 weeks for a decision. Only problem is I don't see any funds being back dates to date of application only this months payment of CIA. Am I correct that VAC should pay back to date of application which is April 1st for me?

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Post by Teager on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 15:30

I applied CIA April 1st and my VAC says I was out at step 3 April 1st as well. I previously applied when it was PIA and was denied. I still have not received a decision yet and am on my 24th week. I have inquired bit was simply told that the amount of applications coming in has slowed everything down. I continue to wait.

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Post by By the Bay on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 14:46

Good Afternoon,

I just got off the phone with VAC...
If you applied for CIA and CIA supplement after April 2017, I guess you won't be seeing a decision letter at the prolonged 16 week mark. VAC told me the estimate Service Standard date of 16 weeks is now lapse by 6 to 8 weeks and could be a 24 weeks wait time before getting a decision letter.
Has any one heard anything different?

Furthermore, the VAC operator had an abrupt grouchy attitude with me...
Pretty much what I got from our conversation was....IT WILL GET THERE WHEN IT GETS THERE!

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Post by Guest on Tue 15 Aug 2017, 16:08

Any letter that is sent to a Veteran by VAC is recorded in their data base. There should be no reason why those answering the phone from the 1 800 VAC number cannot answer any questions relating to any letter. That's what they get paid for, to answer questions from Veterans.
If for some reason the question is to complicated to be answered by the VAC employee, that employee should take the question to the supervisor and get the question answered one way or another. After all, the context of the letters are written from VAC, leaving a Veteran with an unanswered question is not only frustrating and stressful to the Veteran, it also undermines the integrity of VAC.

As I have said many times before, we better all get use to seeing things like CIA, DEC and so forth, this is what the NVC is all about, creating complex and sometimes down right stupid changes to induce future workloads for the bureaucrats. Let's look at the CIA, Career Impact Allowance, one would think that any human being that is let go or released from their employment for medical reasons have had their career impacted, if this is the case, all medically released Veterans should automatically qualify for the CIA. Same goes for the DEC, all who have been medically released have had their earnings diminished. So if these two examples are not proof of make work projects for the future of the bureaucrats, I just don't know what is.

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Post by By the Bay on Tue 15 Aug 2017, 12:04

Johnny211,

You know what would be great? If VAC had a "Let's Chat" option on their website. Geez, if small online store can support that type of communication than VAC should be able to implement it as well....
This way if a Veteran has an important question that they are stressing over, especially during the night when the hamster wheel is turning in our brains, they can  immediately answer our questions. It would take a very small staff to operate this option....

This waiting for reply through VAC My Account or waiting days for Case Manager to return phone calls is for the birds....


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Post by Dannypaj on Tue 15 Aug 2017, 06:41

Called my CM in reference to this delay.

Your claim is at the decision making level. All your supporting documentation was received on June 15, 2017. Although we strive to provide a decision within 6 weeks, provided a previous CIA decision has been completed, we are currently experiencing a higher than normal volume of applications.
NOTE: I am approved CIA, so I know that's completed.

My physician (psychiatrist) told me to apply for the DEC.

This is all BS!
None of my fellow veterans (friends prior to the NVC 2006) have to jump throw so many hoops!
A lesson for all!
If you're injured, document and gather plenty of witness statements to back you up and prepare your mind and soul for the fight of a lifetime with VAC.
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Post by johnny211 on Tue 15 Aug 2017, 06:08

It seems crazy that we the injured Vets, have to dig into para and sub paras in VAC,s massive Policy's. They have so complicated a simple system, with their add ons when it should be under one name. Cranky Old Rad Op, just having his first cup of joe, and oil for the day. But there objective of having a layered system, is so only the toughest like this forum, will plug away with there crap red tape..Out, VVV...
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by By the Bay on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 23:33

Thanks ScottyG!

I guess I need a special decoder to understand all VAC policies/terminology. 😂 I am confused most days but since my dealings with VAC, I'm starting to get wrinkles! Lol

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Post by ScottyG on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 22:24

I can help ! By the bay if you were previously approved for rehab services if so you are still entitled to CIA and CIA s if you have DEC . Once you are deemed DEC ....your rehab can be transfer to a spouse and also if you get better you can ask to be put back on voc rehab.
If you get CIA its for life unless things medically change for the better. CIA s is granted if you are DEC.

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Post by By the Bay on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 21:50

I think I may have found the answer to my question....Under Policy Document CIA/CIAS located in the sub category for Eligibility it states:


Eligibility

"11. CIA is payable to a Veteran who:
has one or more physical or mental health problems that are creating a permanent and severe impairment, and
the Veteran has, in respect of each of those health problems,
had an application for rehabilitation services approved; and
received a disability award or a disability pension, or would have received an award or pension but has not as the sum of the Veteran’s assessments and deemed assessments exceeds 100%, or has not received a disability award as the disability has not yet stabilized.

12. The phrase "has had an application for rehabilitation services approved" will include those cases where the Veteran has already completed a rehabilitation plan.  It will also include those cases where it is determined, based on assessment, that the client has a Diminished Earning Capacity."

Please correct me if I am wrong, according to paragraph 12.... I may still be eligibility for CIA under this criteria???

Does this sound correct or am I wishful thinking!


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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Vet1234 on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 19:34

my letter was almost verbatim Pinger.  except it said vocational rehabilitation.  I still get psycho-social rehabilitation.
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