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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by pinger on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 19:30

Hello all,
Bottom line BTB try to contact your cm in person or have them visit YOU if possible.
Mmm, VaC wording sure does get confusing on it's own doesn't it ?
And the last thing I wanna do is create more confusion. But I'll try lol.


BTB wrote " a letter from VAC stating that " a rehabilitation plan will not be developed for you. As no rehabilitation needs were not identified in your recent case mangers assessment, your participation in the Rehabilition Services and Vocational Program is completed." "

So what the heck was completed ? A Pass or Fail ELB... to approach other benefits ?
I went through the ELB/Canvet thing a few years ago (that was then).

I did not apply for PIA PIAS or TPI until after I got a letter stating, and I quote...
" It has been determined that you have completedyour rehabilitation program as there is evidence that further rehabilitation interventions will not be effective in achieving the rehabilitation case plan desired outcomes " Medical...

Bottom line, see the cm IN PERSON and eye to eye.

---- I wonder if my rehab participation was completed because I was deemed DEC last month?----
??? I don't know but I'm lending you my lucky horseshoe btb

Stay well very all...


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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Vet1234 on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 19:29

I'm still on Rehab and DEC.
My appeal is taking forever. Seems like no one wants to help. super frustrating.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by By the Bay on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 19:27

Thanks Trooper!

I have been waiting for my case manager to call me back but she is out of the office for the rest of the week. I also call VAC and asked if I still meet the criteria for ELB and CIA but the operator was unsure of the Requirements needed to be approved for CIA once the Rehab program has been completed. She has not heard of this situation! And suggested that I ask my case manager for clarification.

I wonder if my rehab participation was completed because I was deemed DEC last month?

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Guest on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 17:56

Trooper wrote:
By the Bay wrote:Hi,
I just received a letter from VAC stating that " a rehabilitation plan will not be developed for you. As no rehabilitation needs were not identified in your recent case mangers assessment, your participation in the Rehabilition Services and Vocational Program is completed."

Does this mean I will not be approved for CIA benefits that I have applied for because I am no longer under a Rehabilitation plan?
I am so confused at this point because I thought I had to be in a Rehabilition plan in order to be approved for CIA..
Cheers,
By the Bay

If you were approved for rehab, but could not participate because of what was written by your case manager, and they are saying your rehab is complete, this could mean that you have met the criteria for the CIA and the ELB with respect to completing your rehab part of the criteria for the CIA and ELB, after all, they did say your rehab is complete.

So my advice would be to contact VAC and ask them if this letter means you have met the criteria for both the CIA and the ELB with respect to the rehab aspect of it, being that the letter states that your rehab is completed.

Just one more point to add to this By the Bay,

In the letter I also see where they state that "your participation in the Rehabilitation Services and Vocational Program is completed."

That part of the letter acknowledges your participation in the rehab service which is the criteria for the CIA and ELB.

So you should be good to go regarding your CIA.

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 13:47

By the Bay wrote:Hi,
I just received a letter from VAC stating that " a rehabilitation plan will not be developed for you. As no rehabilitation needs were not identified in your recent case mangers assessment, your participation in the Rehabilition Services and Vocational Program is completed."

Does this mean I will not be approved for CIA benefits that I have applied for because I am no longer under a Rehabilitation plan?
I am so confused at this point because I thought I had to be in a Rehabilition plan in order to be approved for CIA..
Cheers,
By the Bay

If you were approved for rehab, but could not participate because of what was written by your case manager, and they are saying your rehab is complete, this could mean that you have met the criteria for the CIA and the ELB with respect to completing your rehab part of the criteria for the CIA and ELB, after all, they did say your rehab is complete.

So my advice would be to contact VAC and ask them if this letter means you have met the criteria for both the CIA and the ELB with respect to the rehab aspect of it, being that the letter states that your rehab is completed.

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Post by bog6 on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 13:34

Call your case manager and keep us updated.

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Post by By the Bay on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 13:06

Hi,
I just received a letter from VAC stating that " a rehabilitation plan will not be developed for you. As no rehabilitation needs were not identified in your recent case mangers assessment, your participation in the Rehabilition Services and Vocational Program is completed."

Does this mean I will not be approved for CIA benefits that I have applied for because I am no longer under a Rehabilitation plan?
I am so confused at this point because I thought I had to be in a Rehabilition plan in order to be approved for CIA..
Cheers,
By the Bay
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Guest on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 19:12

ScottyG wrote:Yes but CIA S can never predate the DEC approval which was May 2017.

It depends when you submitted your CIAS application.

If you were deemed DEC in May of this year, and you submitted your CIAS application after you were deemed DEC, it will go back to whatever date you submitted your CIAS application. If you submitted your CIAS application before you were deemed DEC, it will go back to whatever date you were deemed DEC.

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Post by ScottyG on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 18:59

Yes but CIA S can never predate the DEC approval which was May 2017.

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Post by Guest on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 18:55

ScottyG wrote:
Trooper wrote:Scotty,

I'm thinking with the CIAS, it may just be a case where your deemed DEC was not seen or missed when your application was submitted.

You can now apply for the CIAS through my account, however, in your particular case where you already applied for and was denied, it's best to contact VAC and tell them your situation that you have been deemed DEC and are receiving the CIA. They may be able to speed things up for you, and they can advise you on whether you need to appeal or not.

Regarding payable date, I would think they would back date your CIAS to the date from which you first applied if you were deemed DEC at the time of that application, if not deemed DEC at the time of application, they will only go back to when you have been deemed DEC.


I have a feeling that is the case "in another pile". Newfie said she appeal for both at the same time and after 2nd level appeal she was required to resubmit for CIA S ....seems newfie really got the run around.

As long as you make sure they know that you were CIA and DEC on your FIRST CIAS application, I'm assuming from what I read from your post that was the case. Record it all and like I said hopefully it's just a matter of you writing a letter detailing the situation and they approve your CIAS from the date of your first CIAS application.

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Post by ScottyG on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 18:40

Trooper wrote:Scotty,

I'm thinking with the CIAS, it may just be a case where your deemed DEC was not seen or missed when your application was submitted.

You can now apply for the CIAS through my account, however, in your particular case where you already applied for and was denied, it's best to contact VAC and tell them your situation that you have been deemed DEC and are receiving the CIA. They may be able to speed things up for you, and they can advise you on whether you need to appeal or not.

Regarding payable date, I would think they would back date your CIAS to the date from which you first applied if you were deemed DEC at the time of that application, if not deemed DEC at the time of application, they will only go back to when you have been deemed DEC.


I have a feeling that is the case "in another pile". Newfie said she appeal for both at the same time and after 2nd level appeal she was required to resubmit for CIA S ....seems newfie really got the run around.

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Post by ScottyG on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 18:19

Newfie: Can you review your dates
8 sept 2016 -initial appl for CIA and Cias ?
1st level appeal _____ for both? Where both rejected?
2nd level appeal 24th april 2017 was this Letter recieved for CIA and CIA(S) approvals??
July was it for CIA S and when did you get the CIA?
Back dated to May 18 2017 ...was that the date of your DEC favorable decision if not what date was that?



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Post by Newfie on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 14:52

Scotty, I was on 2nd level appeal that VAC received on 24 April 2017. My initial application was on 8 Sep 2016. †I received letter in July and was backed dated to VAC decision date of 18 May 2017. More BS


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Post by Newfie on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 14:48

Scotty I questioned why my CIA and CIA supp was not approved at same time and I was told some BS story that they only looked at my CIA application and I had to reapply for the supplement

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Post by Guest on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 06:46

Scotty,

I'm thinking with the CIAS, it may just be a case where your deemed DEC was not seen or missed when your application was submitted.

You can now apply for the CIAS through my account, however, in your particular case where you already applied for and was denied, it's best to contact VAC and tell them your situation that you have been deemed DEC and are receiving the CIA. They may be able to speed things up for you, and they can advise you on whether you need to appeal or not.

Regarding payable date, I would think they would back date your CIAS to the date from which you first applied if you were deemed DEC at the time of that application, if not deemed DEC at the time of application, they will only go back to when you have been deemed DEC.

CIA Date Payable

The CIA and an increase in the grade level due to a reassessment, begins to be payable on the later of:

a. the day on which the application for the allowance was made (see the Application section of this policy); and

b. the day that is one year prior to the day on which the application for the allowance is approved, i.e. one year prior to the decision date; and

c. the day after the day of the memberís release from the CAF.

The effective date cannot pre-date the later of the decisions by which the Veteran has an application for rehabilitation services approved and has been granted a disability benefit for the health problem(s) that are causing the permanent and severe impairment.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/2126#anchor57640

CIAS Date Payable

The CIA supplement begins to be payable the later of:

a. the day on which the application for the supplement was made (see the Application section of this policy);

b. the day that is one year prior to the day on which the application for the supplement is approved, i.e. one year prior to the decision date.

c. the day after the day of the member's release from the CAF.

The effective date cannot pre-date the decision by which the Veteran is determined to have a DEC.

The effective date cannot predate October 3, 2011 (i.e. the implementation date of the Enhanced New Veterans Charter Act.)

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/2126#anchor57649

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