Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 10:37

"...The CIAS, is there for those who have been approved for the CIA, and are deemed to have diminished earning capacity.
Diminished earning capacity means a Veteran is unable to earn at least 66.7% of their adjusted pre-release salary...."
Well it`s now been 12 weeks and I`ve heard nothing yet on my CIA application. If approved I guess I will also apply for the CIAS. My question is this, I am currently working though not at 100%, you mention that VAC will approve CIAS if a vet is deemed to be unable to earn 66.7% of their pre-release salary. - so if 2 vets were to apply and both currently have jobs does VAC look at what their occupations are and say yes to one and no to another because one has a decent paying job and the other does not even though they suffer the same injury? i.e. one retired vet works as a Commissionaire the other is a Plumber, VAC looks at them both and says the Comm is only making minimum wage the Plumber is making $40 an hour, No CIAS for the plumber?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by bosn181 on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 10:49

not sure if this will help but when they looked at mine they went off my pre release salary and used the money i currently get from my military, sisip, and cpp disability pension and vac elb money and told me i currently receive 53% of my pre release salary even though i don't work so i was put at stage 2. so i would assume the way it looked to me if you take your money your receive and see how much of your pre release salary and see where you sit on there % chart you should be able to get an idea of where or what you should be able to apply and get

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 10:53

cosmo12 wrote:http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/2126
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/forms/document/318

Hi Artie, find references above about your question. Review is done for CIAS reference your DEC (diminished earning capacity) only once after the two year mark. Usually your case manager will send you the form in reference for your doctor or psychologist/psychiatrist to filled. CIA is for life or until such time you miraculously heal. Hope this help.

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I haven`t had a family physician since I left the military almost 2 decades ago, if I have an ailment I go to out patients. In tems of this VAC ability to work/hold a job form, could my psychiatrist fill it out, or does it have to be a DR. I can`t see me taking the form to a walk in clinic and having me devulge all my issues to a stranger, professional or not, yet my shrink knows the most about my situation
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 10:57


statements of earnings indicate that the Veteran may be gainfully employed; or
statements of earnings indicate that the Veteran is no longer considered “totally disabled” as defined by a third party compensation plan, such as CAF LTD (SISIP), Canada Pension Plan, or provincial or federal worker’s compensation plan.
So this "statement of earnings" you speak off, what is that does VAC request a income tax return?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 10:58

[quote="bigrex"]You can absolutely work, as long as you meet the criteria. There are currently two types of criteria for CIA. one is strictly the level of disability, and the second is the inability to earn a percentage of deemed income (DEC, compare

"The CIA supplement is payable to a Veteran who:

a. is in receipt of CIA

b. has been determined to have “diminished earning capacity" (DEC).

d to how many possible years in the CF you lost, due to the disability."

So can someone be approved for CIA but not DEC?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 11:00

Trooper wrote:
ScottyG wrote:If you have a DEC determination but do not have CIA or CIA(s) why would you not get CIA? Do you have to apply for it?

Yes, you have to apply for the CIA.

To qualify for the CIA you would need to have a severe and permanent impairment for which you have received a disability benefit, and have a VAC-approved application for rehabilitation services.

The DEC would help those who already have the CIA, move to a higher level, and also would qualify you for the CIA Supplement.
So assuming I`m approved for CIA...CIAS and DEC are two separate sources of income I can apply for or can you only receive CIAS or DEC based on the level of your imparement?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by bosn181 on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 11:06

cia is one payment and cias is another payment that you get if your approved dec and you apply for cias and also get approved

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 11:08

bosn181 wrote:not sure if this will help but when they looked at mine they went off my pre release salary and used the money i currently get from my military, sisip, and cpp disability pension and vac elb money and told me i currently receive 53% of my pre release salary even though i don't work so i was put at stage 2.  so i would assume the way it looked to me if you take your money your receive and see how much of your pre release salary and see where you sit on there % chart you should be able to get an idea of where or what you should be able to apply and get
I can`t even remember what I was getting paid prior to release some 20 years ago, but you mentioned they did a calculation on you but you were also NOT working, I wonder if they did the same calculation on me , come out with the same number,will they say "oh he also has a job, add that money" - sorry not entitled to anything?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 11:14

Bruce72 wrote:Bigrex

You are bang on. I'm not DEC, but my psychologist says he believes I cannot be employed 40 hours a week, he says 16 hours a week would be more appropriate because I have a volatile temper that I have little control over due to PTSD.

He's currently drawing up a letter for VAC detailing my symptoms and circumstances.

I have no problem with working, but I need to minimize my exposure to stress, because when I'm under stress I do and say reprehensible things to people.

I'm lucky my friends and family have stood by me, but ask them and they'll say that I can be a monumental prick, and that our relationships are under strain most of the time.

If I knew then what I know now, I would never have enlisted in the Army. All I ever wanted to do was eliminate as many of Canada's enemies as possible.
How did this pan out for you, I am currently in a similar state as my workplace is about to terminate me for PTSD symptoms, I don`t know what`s next for me, you can PM me as well, thx.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by ScottyG on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 15:44

I think this is a good question:
How does your age affect the reassessment for CIA and CIAs & you were Deemed DEC. If your over 65 are you required to get Reassessment every 2 years? Cant imagine a 90 yr old Vet requiring to continue this for life. I wonder if Veteran affair has a policy on this post 60  post 65 etc??? If you know the answer can you post the reference ..thanks

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 16:09

ScottyG wrote:I think this is a good question:
How does your age affect the reassessment for CIA and CIAs & you were Deemed DEC. If your over 65 are you required to get Reassessment every 2 years? Cant imagine a 90 yr old Vet requiring to continue this for life. I wonder if Veteran affair has a policy on this post 60  post 65 etc??? If you know the answer can you post the reference ..thanks
as usual VAC contradicts themselves, if you read all the information you will find a sentence that says CIA/DEC is for life, another sentence else where says they are reassessed every 2-5 years
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by ScottyG on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 16:15

I read about grandfathering under Pen Act, after age 55 it cant be reduced in "most cases" LOL

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 16:28

ScottyG wrote:I read about grandfathering under Pen Act, after age 55 it cant be reduced in "most cases" LOL
well I guess I`m safe
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 16:30

bosn181 wrote:cia is one payment and cias is another payment that you get if your approved dec and you apply for cias and also get approved
So can someone apply for DEC while awaiting the outcome of a CIA decision?
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA) and the Career Impact Allowance Supplement (CIAS)

Post by Vet1234 on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 16:33

Yes you can apply while waiting for a CIA decision.
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