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Post by ScottyG on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 16:32

You can apply for ELB yes ! In fact you can apply for all the listed programs.... at any time!

The DEC you can request a via your Case manager usually they will start that process after 24 months after you receive the CIA .... that is needed for the CIA s ....

I know this is confusing ..... i was in your shoes several months ago ....Hang in there and try to smile ....

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Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 16:33

ScottyG wrote:The ELB is just what it says. You get it as a top up if your working part time etc. dollar for dollar reduction.
CM will assist you with all the answers you are seeking via the phone. If its not clear take a paper and pen call VAC ....ask all the questions take notes...
24 hours later call and get them to explain again ...
48 hours later do it again... †I did! †Smile

Then come here and tell us what you heard and we will confuse you again .... Just kidding !!
what does "dollar for dollar reduction" mean?
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Post by ScottyG on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 16:36

You need a professionals report in most cases Yes!
Start at step one!
Its a long silly process and there are delays and stresses involved in the process.
Lots get discourages some give up...
If you are near a VAC office ...I would insist on an personal interview with a CM to assist you.

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Post by ScottyG on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 16:38

If you are on ELB and you make 100 bucks in salary your ELB is reduced equally. You must keep them advised on your employment income.

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Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 17:14

ScottyG wrote:You can apply for ELB yes ! In fact you can apply for all the listed programs.... at any time!

The DEC you can request a via your Case manager usually they will start that process after 24 months after you receive the CIA .... that is needed for the CIA s ....

I know this is confusing ..... i was in your shoes several months ago ....Hang in there and try to smile ....
confusing isn`t the word, but since I`ve lost my job I don`t have anything else to lose at this point, I don`t have faith in my CM I think they just check the boxes, they phone, you miss the call, you don`t hear from them again for months, but I bet they wrote a report saying "unable to reach".
I`m done writing, I`m just going to sit this out until the outcome of my CIA application, I`m hoping for an answer before Nov 11
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Post by ScottyG on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 17:21

At most if not all vet affair offices they have on duty case managers .....some are better than others ....do that for peace of mind ....trust me time will resolved most issues....you can lead a horse to water but its up to him if he drinks.....in the mean time you need to be couragious...i have a good feeling next year you will be guiding other thru difficulties.....your not alone

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Post by johnny211 on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 17:23

Artie Simm - Scotty is bang on. I just have a few things to add. Alot of us on here have been down the rd your on now. Those steps Scotty put here is how it has to go. It will get frustrating at times. As one who is DEC with severe ptsd and all the crap that goes with it, if not for this forum and the great advice I would have packed it in. I was working like you, but knew the wheels where falling off, called Vac, got CM, went on Voc Rehab, and at age 53 went back to college.
It was a struggle but graduated. But then got a job, and the wheels fell off again. Or should I say head space and timing was off. Called CM, back on ELB, got a pscy to do a report, got my family dr to do a letter saying I cannot work ever.
Was deemed DEC, Went to EELB, and applied for CIA/S. It is a step by step process, but hang in there. Get a good CM who knows the process. If your not happy with that CM, ask for another one.
Your Voc Rehab does not have to be retraining. It can just be pscy appts, massage, etc. Do not let them force you into retraining if that is not what you want. I rambled on, but start with advise fm here, get a good CM right away. They should know all the forms and help you with them. Johnny Out..VVV...
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Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 17:32

johnny211 wrote:Artie Simm - Scotty is bang on. I just have a few things to add. Alot of us on here have been down the rd your on now. Those steps Scotty put here is how it has to go. It will get frustrating at times. As one who is DEC with severe ptsd and all the crap that goes with it, if not for this forum and the great advice I would have packed it in. I was working like you, but knew the wheels where falling off, called Vac, got CM, went on Voc Rehab, and at age 53 went back to college.
† † †It was a struggle but graduated. But then got a job, and the wheels fell off again. Or should I say head space and timing was off. Called CM, back on ELB, got a pscy to do a report, got my family dr to do a letter saying I cannot work ever.
†Was deemed DEC, Went to EELB, and applied for CIA/S. †It is a step by step process, but hang in there. Get a good CM who knows the process. If your not happy with that CM, ask for another one.
† †Your Voc Rehab does not have to be retraining. It can just be pscy appts, massage, etc. Do not let them force you into retraining if that is not what you want. I rambled on, but start with advise fm here, get a good CM right away. They should know all the forms and help you with them. Johnny Out..VVV...
I guess at the end of the day, my main worry/question is this, I know what I was taking home every 2 weeks while gainfully employed. If I`m fired, I guess I can go to EI but that will be an 8 week wait for a cheque, if I go down to my VAC office with my letter of termination, and they say, okay next monday were going to start you on Rehab 1,2,3 what form of income is provided while I take part in medical,educational,psychological rehab...is that where the "90% of your pre-release salary" comes in? Or is it some set figure I don`t know about?
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Post by ScottyG on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 18:14

Firstly,You need to be on Rehab "med or vocational" †
Then you can get ELB at 90%.
This can happen in a very short period if they have the info they need med reports QOL completed .
If you call in and demostrate your frustration/ stress level †and try hard to be polite in doing so things can happen fast.

I cant help but stress to you an in person Interviews can work wonders in them fast tracking or red flagging applications.

I have never met one ill †veteran that didnt have a hard time dealing with strangers and discussing deep emotional struggles.
In doing so, mind you,you will get results. The bigger picture is Artie you will have some finanicial peace of mind hopefully...

Then deal with your recovery & some sort of balance will return.

What other positive choices do you have at this time?

Hang in there!

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Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 18:55

ScottyG wrote:Firstly,You need to be on Rehab "med or vocational" †
Then you can get ELB at 90%.
This can happen in a very short period if they have the info they need med reports QOL completed .
If you call in and demostrate your frustration/ stress level †and try hard to be polite in doing so things can happen fast.

I cant help but stress to you an in person Interviews can work wonders in them fast tracking or red flagging applications.

I have never met one ill †veteran that didnt have a hard time dealing with strangers and discussing deep emotional struggles.
In doing so, mind you,you will get results. The bigger picture is Artie you will have some finanicial peace of mind hopefully...

Then deal with your recovery & some sort of balance will return.

What other positive choices do you have at this time?

Hang in there!
by "medical rehab" are you refering to a psychologist because I am seeing one already, the problem is after so many visits I don`t know what else there is to tell my psycoholist, I want to stop going as he is recommending drugs to fix me, and yet it`s my understanding that if you don`t attend medical rehab VAC will cut off your ELB benefits?
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Post by johnny211 on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 19:32

Artie - I could have missed this but, Has your pscy done an assessment? Your CM will need this. You do not have to go the physcio drugs route. I stayed away from them for the last few yrs. And just 2 mths ago went to MFT, and do the oil. It has helped quite a bit. Knocks me out at night and slows the hamster in the day time. But to ea his own on this subj. Another thing you may find helpful is the OSSIS gp. We are lucky here on PEI to have a great gp. And I find being around other Vets who get it, is a life saver. Johnny..
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Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 20:10

johnny211 wrote:Artie - I could have missed this but, Has your pscy done an assessment? Your CM will need this. You do not have to go the physcio drugs route. I stayed away from them for the last few yrs. And just 2 mths ago went to MFT, and do the oil. It has helped quite a bit. Knocks me out at night and slows the hamster in the day time. But to ea his own on this subj. Another thing you may find helpful is the OSSIS gp. We are lucky here on PEI to have a great gp. And I find being around other Vets who get it, is a life saver. Johnny..
thanks for the reply, whats MFT? yes there have been 2 assessments by my Psychiatrist, one when my CM filed for CIA 3 month ago, and another about a month ago when VAC was reassessing my PTSD claim to see if I qualify for a greater amount, I went to an OSI clinic about a decade ago but I found it too sterile/military plus I don`t particularly like running into soldiers who knew me when I was normal as many CAF are in and out of those places.
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Post by ScottyG on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 20:58

Artie ...
1.you dont want to take meds
2.you dont want to talk to CM
3. you do not want to see a strange doctor
4.you do not want to go to OSI clinic
5. you do not want to run in to old friends
6. you want to quit on your specialist, because he or she is recommending drug treatment
This all has come out within a few hours of talking to you...I havent read your history here maybe there is more.

None of us like these choices either

BUT we had to do it ....( Didnt we Guys and Gals?)

If you want the benefits, if you want help dealing with your struggles you have to deal with what veteran affairs wants you to do ...
Other wise your going to be totally frustrated & your problems will be harder to deal with....

I have seen many many people that have simular frustrations and they escalate if you do not force yourself to be proactive OR appoint a loved one to deal with Veteran Affairs on your behalf .....

Get your Butt down to that OSI clinic, you will find helping hands and caring souls willing to help.....

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Post by Artie Simm on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 22:13

ScottyG wrote:Artie ...
1.you dont want to take meds
2.you dont want to talk to CM
3. you do not want to see a strange doctor
4.you do not want to go to OSI clinic
5. you do not want to run in to old friends
6. you want to quit on your specialist, because he or she is recommending drug treatment
This all has come out within a few hours of talking to you...I havent read your history here maybe there is more.

None of us like these choices either

BUT we had to do it ....( Didnt we Guys and Gals?)

If you want the benefits, if you want help dealing with your struggles you have to deal with what veteran affairs wants you to do ...
Other wise your going to be totally frustrated & your problems will be harder to deal with....

I have seen many many people that have simular frustrations and they escalate if you do not force yourself to be proactive OR appoint a loved one to deal with Veteran Affairs on your behalf .....

Get your Butt down to that OSI clinic, you will find helping hands and caring souls willing to help.....
It`s not that I DONT want to do any of those things, my paranoia makes it difficult.
1. the last drug I took was mefloquine and that did a number on my brain, so pills are out
2. I have talked to my CM, in person and over the phone, I just have nothing more to add until I have a letter stating I`ve been terminated at work
3. I don`t have a family Dr. So yes, I would find it totally unnerving to just walk into any old physicians office as a new patient to discuss not a sore back but mental issues, I could bring the Dr. all my psychologist assessments he could read them and fill out the VAC form, but he wouldn`t have any true knowledge of me at all when the forms ask questions like " Do you feel this patient should not return to work?" He wouldn`t know me from a hole in the ground.
4.5. There is nothing more embarrassing to me than running into military people who still have their act together while I`m a shambling mess, so yes I don`t want to go to an OSI clinic, a lot of my anger stems from the military and that place reeks of it. But I have no problem seeing a private psychiatrist at their own office.
6. I don`t want to quit my specialist, I just don`t want to take any prescription drugs that will alter my reality I have to stay in the now all the time. I will keep seeing my specialist but it`s difficult when you read assessments that say "long term prognosis is poor". But he gets paid well enough from VAC so I will keep attending and going over the same hamster wheel of problems we`ve been talking about for the last 2 years.
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Post by bigrex on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 22:57

Unfortunately, VAC wants to see that you are trying to make your QoL as best as it can be. If they feel that you are not trying, yet asking for more money, they may be more inclined to deny you. It's a sad fact, but a fact none the less. But I know exactly where you are coming from. When I made the decision that I just couldn't work any more, it was because it was too painful to even get out of bed the day after I worked a shift. I contacted VAC, and told them that I was unable to work any longer. They sent a CM to my home, she approved the rehab program on the spot, but deemed that I was too disabled to be retrained. She also initiated applications for ELB, PIA/PIAS and requested a functionality exam to determine TPI (DEC). I didn't need any additional paperwork, or medical exams for the PIA or ELB, and they were all approved within a month and a half, and I haven't looked back since. So the first step is to contact VAC, and get the ball rolling. They should apply for the applicable benefits, and if not, then tell them to. And since you are being treated for PTSD through VAC, they will have been getting periodical reports from your psychiatrist, so they should be able to make a decision based on those, without seeking any additional reports.
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