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Benefit change gave wounded vets raises of $1.39 to thousands a month


Documents show government planned to reach out to 1,000 veterans who were to get less than $200 more a month


By Kristen Everson, CBC News Posted: Jun 20, 2017 6:40 PM ET


Veterans Affairs Minister Kent Hehr's department implemented an increase to the earnings loss benefit in October.

A Liberal election promise to boost a monthly benefit for wounded veterans resulted in a range of increases for retired soldiers, with the majority receiving at least $500 a month more but a handful seeing less than $2 extra a month, according to government documents.

In an attempt to minimize backlash and confusion, bureaucrats at Veterans Affairs put together an extensive communications strategy, including a plan to call the approximately 1,000 veterans who would be receiving a minimal increase to explain the changes.

The earnings loss benefit previously ensured injured veterans received 75 per cent of their pre-release salary. After the Liberals came to power, they moved to keep their election promise and raised that to 90 per cent last October.

According to a memo prepared for Veterans Affairs Minister Kent Hehr and obtained by CBC under the Access to Information Act, the increase meant just a few dollars for some while a select few saw a boost in the thousands of dollars.

The document reveals that at least 165 veterans received a monthly increase of just $1.39; 28 received between $3 to $25; and 16 veterans received an increase of more that $2,000. The highest monthly increase was $5,536.37.

About 800 veterans receiving the earnings loss benefit are not included in the breakdown, because their calculations are so complex they have to be done manually.

Here is the limited breakdown:

- 16 veterans received a monthly increase of more than $2,000, the highest being $5,536.37.

- 839 received $1,000 - $1,999.

- 2,187 ($750-$999).

- 428 ($500-$749).

- 753 ($201-$499).

- 601 ($100-200).

- 145 ($50-$99).

- 74 ($25-49).

- 28 ($3-$24).

- 165 ($1.39).

In an email to CBC, a spokesperson for the department said that when the earnings loss benefit is calculated "each veteran receives a unique amount based on when they [were] released, what their salary was at release, changes to the rates of inflation and if they have any other income."

The spokesman said some veterans who were receiving the benefit prior to the increase were already getting close to 90 per cent of their salary because of annual indexing, explaining why some only saw a slight increase.

The spokesperson said more than 3,400 veterans saw an increase of at least $500 a month.

Disparity in benefit amounts


The earnings loss benefit is available to veterans who are receiving rehabilitation services from Veterans Affairs or provides longer term support to veterans unable to work because of their injuries. It tops up their income after other benefits, such as the Canadian Armed Forces pension, employment or disability insurance and any income from current employment, are calculated.

The memo reveals that Veterans Affairs was prepared to call all those who were receiving a monthly increase of $200 or less to offer an explanation before they received an official notification letter of the increase. The memo says the department had prepared a "comprehensive communications plan" to respond to any concerns raised by veterans around the changes.

The memo outlines a variety of scenarios, including one that highlights the disparity between the increases being delivered.

In that example, a private, a sergeant and a colonel are all released from the forces on Oct. 1, 2016. At the time of their release, their respective monthly salaries are $2,806, $5,470 and $12,483.

If all three were awarded the earnings loss benefit, the monthly increases they would see to that benefit under the new policy would be $172, $820 and $1,873 respectively.

90 per cent 'better'


Wayne MacCulloch, a veteran and national president of the Canadian Associate of Veterans in UN Peacekeeping, said the increase to 90 per cent is an improvement, but he doesn't understand why the government won't ensure injured veterans get 100 per cent of their pre-release pay.

"I don't see anywhere where expenses actually go down as a result of a disability," MacCulloch said.

However, Sylvain Chartrand of Canadian Veterans Advocacy said that while he would prefer to see the benefit to be non-taxable, 90 per cent is good.

"The only step again would be 100 per cent, but 90 per cent is quite good. The problem is making sure that the people keep that benefit," he said, referring to rules around whether or not veterans can qualify and stay qualified for the benefit.


Wayne MacCulloch, centre, national president Canadian Association of Veterans in UN Peacekeeping, says the increase to the earnings loss Benefit is better but questions why it can't be 100 per cent.

MacCulloch said the government still has a long way to go to ensure Canada's injured veterans are well taken care of.

"The one thing that was in the minister's letter from the prime minister was to look to provide lifelong financial well-being for veterans. And we haven't come anywhere near that yet," MacCulloch said.

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Post by ScottyG on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 08:48

I figured it out! The soldier that got $5536 increase he or she would have to be a Major General or Lt General!

Major-General †$17808 a month---- $213000 a year † † † † † †
Lieutenant-General $21067 a month---- $252800 a year


Plus †all Perks and there is lots
Plus clothing upkeep allowance!

I should have remustered to General !

I wonder what rank got a 1.39 increase per month! † Smile Question

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Post by Artie Simm on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 22:09

You can't even buy a bullet to kill yourself with $1.39
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Post by Guest on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 06:40

Nobody seems to care that one got over $5000.00 and some got $1.39 and some got none.

What seems to matter is there was an increase to 90% to the ELB, the promise was kept leaving another piece of ammo the Liberals can use to support what they have done to improve the lives of Canadian Veterans and their Families.

Well played Kent!

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Post by Nemo on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 12:05

The whole system is fracked anyways. †There should be one program for all.

Why are individuals treated so differently. †There should be a basic income for life for all those that can't work. That aspect should not differentiate between those that have limbs or those that don't. You can either work or you can't.

Then they have this stupid rehab thing and I don't even remotely qualify for that but if you don't have that then you don't get income for life. SISIP cuts off for many now at age 65. †And unless they actually get a VAC pension, they will be screwed at 65 with 70% of an already low income. For those of us that got out in 96, wages were a lot lower and the annual inflation rates that the governments give are totally inadequate. For instance, in 96 a Mcpl made about $36,000 per year. Now they make about 60K. But the annual stats canada inflation rate that they use for raising pensions and other benfits would run about 45% over the last 20 years. So that 36K would be 52K so still 8K less than someone in would be getting.

ANd currently I think around 44K is the amount the use for those of us out in the 90's for a minimum income. †So 70% of that will only be 31,000. And that takes into consideration what you get from CFSA, CPP and OAS. †So unless you have another non taxable benefit, you will just exist at age 65.

Even those that get 90% of their salary....if they got out 20 years ago, it still would not be much. A Cpl would get just 32,000.

So the whole system sucks.
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Post by Nemo on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 12:06

And that's why a lot of people get ZIP is because their incomes on release were much smaller than they are today and that is not taken into consideration in their calculations.
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Post by ScottyG on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 14:25

Nemo

†I fully believe that coming this fall the promise of the return of lifetime incomes for the seriously ill will happen. Nevertheless †So far those veterans with disability awards are †entitled to apply and receive;
1.caregive allowance,
2.VIP benefits
,3.travel expenses for med care,
4.reb hab education (books, tuition and college costs)
5.medication,
6.dental care
7.drugs
8.etc etc

most are for life and are 100% not taxable.

CIA,CIAs is taxable but it is for life.

We will likely not see the return of lifetime tax free pensions!( most agree this isnt happening)

What we MAY see is ELB will continue for life.

If you have DTC which is over 9000 dollars per year as an additional tax deduction.

I truly believe that the seriously injuried veterans will have enough that financial security will be ensured.....

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Post by bigrex on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 15:08

This reminds of the old British Class system. If you were an officer, it was because you came from a wealthy family, and your life was worth more than hundreds of enlisted men. Now they are saying that an officer who is totally disabled, can be worth thousands more per month, than some poor kid who becomes totally disabled in their 20's. At least with the PA, it didn't matter if you were a no hook Private, or a top General. You made the exact same benefits, depending on the level of disability. And the private will never reach that level of support, no matter how many years he lives.
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Post by Guest on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 16:43

nemo wrote:The whole system is fracked anyways. †There should be one program for all.

Why are individuals treated so differently. †There should be a basic income for life for all those that can't work. That aspect should not differentiate between those that have limbs or those that don't. You can either work or you can't.

Then they have this stupid rehab thing and I don't even remotely qualify for that but if you don't have that then you don't get income for life. SISIP cuts off for many now at age 65. †And unless they actually get a VAC pension, they will be screwed at 65 with 70% of an already low income. For those of us that got out in 96, wages were a lot lower and the annual inflation rates that the governments give are totally inadequate. For instance, in 96 a Mcpl made about $36,000 per year. Now they make about 60K. But the annual stats canada inflation rate that they use for raising pensions and other benfits would run about 45% over the last 20 years. So that 36K would be 52K so still 8K less than someone in would be getting.

ANd currently I think around 44K is the amount the use for those of us out in the 90's for a minimum income. †So 70% of that will only be 31,000. And that takes into consideration what you get from CFSA, CPP and OAS. †So unless you have another non taxable benefit, you will just exist at age 65.

Even those that get 90% of their salary....if they got out 20 years ago, it still would not be much. A Cpl would get just 32,000.

So the whole system sucks.

nemo,

I agree the system is screwed or complex, but this in my opinion is purposely made to accommodate those writing up the benefits. Just take a look around and you will see almost daily news clips that questions those very benefits brought forward by the bureaucrats. This whole revamp of our benefits is put together to produce long term employment for those bureaucrats who are working for themselves. What you wrote above makes perfect sense, but I believe we are not going to change much, if anything. I say this because the tactics used by the government since the inception of the NVC has worked well for them, regardless of what has been brought forward by the media in terms of questioning the governments motives and or implementations. In my opinion they have succeeded in controlling fully what has happened in the past, and continues to happen in the future regarding the merits of all benefits past, and future. It would be a mistake in my opinion for anyone to state that the NVC offers more security than the PA. However, that is the governments goal, to make believe that the NVC is better, or more secured than the PA, it is working for them, and as time passes, it becomes more evident that they are succeeding in that particular goal. The CPI is a joke, they rate that each year way below what the reality is, again it is those on disability pensions who pay more to survive, and get less for CPI.

One thing I will say, it is true the Liberals are window dressing and poking at bandage fixes, but in my opinion, the Liberals did more for Veterans in two years then the Conservatives did in ten. That is my opinion.

So a dollar more in the pockets of Veterans, or a increase in mental or physical support has to always be welcomed, but we should never be fooled into thinking that what has been brought forward thus far is anything better, or on the same level of the PA.

JMO

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Post by atarijedi on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 14:32

ScottyG wrote:Nemo

†I fully believe that coming this fall the promise of the return of lifetime incomes for the seriously ill will happen. Nevertheless †So far those veterans with disability awards are †entitled to apply and receive;
1.caregive allowance,
2.VIP benefits
,3.travel expenses for med care,
4.reb hab education (books, tuition and college costs)
5.medication,
6.dental care
7.drugs
8.etc etc

most are for life and are 100% not taxable.

CIA,CIAs is taxable but it is for life.

We will likely not see the return of lifetime tax free pensions!( most agree this isnt happening)

What we MAY see is ELB †will continue for life.

If you have DTC which is over 9000 dollars per year as an additional tax deduction.

I truly believe that the seriously injuried veterans will have enough that financial security will be ensured.....


Whats this about dental care? I'm in Group A, I've been slowly saving over like, 2 years, to be able to afford to get a crown. I didn't even know dental coverage was a thing. You wouldn't happen to know if crowns are covered, where I can go to find out?

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Post by Nemo on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 14:57

As far as I know....if you are in Group A....you ONLY get dental if dental is part of your condition being covered by VAC. I was group A for years and had no dental. However, I did pay into the federal dental plan for coverage. Now I have been switched to group B and get dental coverage.

You can find more details here of how much they will cover.

http://www.oralhealthroundtable.ca/veterans-affairs-canada-dental-services/
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Post by atarijedi on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 14:58

nemo wrote:As far as I know....if you are in Group A....you ONLY get dental if dental is part of your condition being covered by VAC. I was group A for years and had no dental. However, I did pay into the federal dental plan for coverage. Now I have been switched to group B and get dental coverage.

You can find more details here of how much they will cover.

http://www.oralhealthroundtable.ca/veterans-affairs-canada-dental-services/

How did you get switched to group B, if you don't mind me asking?

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atarijedi wrote:
ScottyG wrote:Nemo

†I fully believe that coming this fall the promise of the return of lifetime incomes for the seriously ill will happen. Nevertheless †So far those veterans with disability awards are †entitled to apply and receive;
1.caregive allowance,
2.VIP benefits
,3.travel expenses for med care,
4.reb hab education (books, tuition and college costs)
5.medication,
6.dental care
7.drugs
8.etc etc

most are for life and are 100% not taxable.

CIA,CIAs is taxable but it is for life.

We will likely not see the return of lifetime tax free pensions!( most agree this isnt happening)

What we MAY see is ELB †will continue for life.

If you have DTC which is over 9000 dollars per year as an additional tax deduction.

I truly believe that the seriously injuried veterans will have enough that financial security will be ensured.....


Whats this about dental care? I'm in Group A, I've been slowly saving over like, 2 years, to be able to afford to get a crown. I didn't even know dental coverage was a thing. You wouldn't happen to know if crowns are covered, where I can go to find out?

Dental Services (POC 4)

Purpose

This policy provides direction on the provision of dental services for eligible individuals. Coverage of dental services is determined on an individual basis taking into consideration criteria such as the individual's oral health needs.

Policy

Dental services provide coverage for basic dental care and some pre-authorized non-basic and major dental services subject to the specifications outlined in this policy and the Benefit Grids and in the fee schedule for the associated provincial / territorial Dental Association. † †Benefit Grids:http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/services/health/treatment-benefits/poc/poc_search

Basic dental services are common or accepted forms of treatment such as dental cleaning, exams, fillings, simple extractions, and standard dentures


Non-basic services include treatment such as crownwork or bridgework, and require pre-authorization by Veterans Affairs Canada.
Individual dental providers must provide treatment plans to Veterans Affairs Canada for approval of non-basic dental services.
The provision of non-basic dental services must meet the following criteria:
the treatment is required in order to address health needs; and
oral or general health would be placed at risk in the absence of these treatments.

Major dental services include treatment such as implant treatment and equilibrated dentures. Dental services that are considered to be major dental services (also referred to as excluded procedures) require pre-authorization by Veterans Affairs Canada.
Individual dental providers must provide treatment plans to Veterans Affairs Canada for approval of major dental services.
The provision of major dental services is only approved when there is no other clinically acceptable treatment available, and one of the following criteria apply:
the procedures or services are clinically necessary to maintain oral health; or
the individualís oral and/or general health would be negatively affected in the absence of this particular treatment; or
the oral health is such that the individual is a good candidate for the procedure †being proposed and the individualís health will not be negatively impacted by what is being proposed; or
other significant factors exist (where the treatment is required in order to maintain overall health and nutrition).

Eligibility

The following individuals may be eligible for dental services:

Individuals who either hold entitlement to a pension or who have received a
disability award for a health condition requiring dental services, †for example: individuals deemed eligible for A-line coverage;

Individuals who have eligibility other than for a pensioned condition or disability
award and require dental services, for example: individuals deemed eligible for B-line coverage. These individuals must first access provincial / territorial programs or private plans for provision of dental services. Veterans Affairs Canada will provide coverage for dental services neither available to them as residents of that jurisdiction nor recoverable from a third party.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/1925

Basically if your not already covered for dental, you need to contact VAC and ask them for an application to apply for dental coverage. You need to show that your dental condition or conditions is related to your pension condition.

Regarding coverage for Crowns, if covered for dental you will need pre-authorization from VAC:

Examples of dental services that require pre-authorization from VAC: (Before any treatment is received a dental treatment plan is to be submitted to VAC for preauthorization.)

Basic treatment exceeding $1500 annually

Crowns

Bridgework (x-rays required)

Specialist treatment (referral required)

Early replacement of dentures as determined by your dentist or denturist

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/services/health/treatment-benefits/poc#poc4


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Post by bigrex on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 20:02

ScottyG wrote:Nemo

†I fully believe that coming this fall the promise of the return of lifetime incomes for the seriously ill will happen. Nevertheless †So far those veterans with disability awards are †entitled to apply and receive;
1.caregive allowance,
2.VIP benefits
,3.travel expenses for med care,
4.reb hab education (books, tuition and college costs)
5.medication,
6.dental care
7.drugs
8.etc etc

most are for life and are 100% not taxable.

CIA,CIAs is taxable but it is for life.

We will likely not see the return of lifetime tax free pensions!( most agree this isnt happening)

What we MAY see is ELB †will continue for life.

If you have DTC which is over 9000 dollars per year as an additional tax deduction.

I truly believe that the seriously injuried veterans will have enough that financial security will be ensured.....


The issue is, those getting the Pension Act pension are also entitled to everything you listed, and more. So there is still a disparity between the financial supports offered between the two classes of veterans. The only difference betwween the two is PA veterans can not get the FCRB ( $7,427.41/ Yr). But they are entitled to the Attendance Allowance, which provides 5 different levels, of which only the minimum level is less than the FRCB ($3468, $8676, $13020, $19524 and $19524)
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Post by Nemo on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 09:14

[quote="atarijedi"]
nemo wrote:As far as I know....if you are in Group A....you ONLY get dental if dental is part of your condition being covered by VAC. I was group A for years and had no dental. However, I did pay into the federal dental plan for coverage. Now I have been switched to group B and get dental coverage.

You can find more details here of how much they will cover.

http://www.oralhealthroundtable.ca/veterans-affairs-canada-dental-services/

How did you get switched to group B, if you don't mind me asking

++++ I just saw this. About 2 years ago, I got a phone call from VAC. Asked how I was doing. They determined by our conversation that I qualified for some VIP services. And with the eligibility for VIP services, that changed me from an A to a B.
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