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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 08:38

Trudeau Says He Wants Canadians To Stay Outraged About Omar Khadr Deal

Former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr, 30, is seen in Mississauga, Ont., on Thursday, July 6, 2017.© THE CANADIAN PRESS/Colin Perkel Former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr, 30, is seen in Mississauga, Ont., on Thursday, July 6, 2017. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he wants Canadians to stay outraged about his government's controversial settlement with former Guantanamo Bay inmate Omar Khadr.

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer pressed Trudeau about the Khadr deal, worth a reported $10.5 million, in question period Thursday. Though Scheer pledged in the summer to hammer Liberals on the issue, it marked the first time he raised the issue directly with Trudeau since Parliament resumed from break.

Scheer led off question period in French by accusing Trudeau of cutting a "secret deal" while members of Parliament were away from Ottawa. He asked Trudeau to divulge exactly how much the federal government gave to Khadr.

Trudeau shot back that the previous Conservative government violated Khadr's constitutional rights and now Canadians have to pay for it.

"I'm outraged. The opposition is outraged. Canadians are outraged about this payment and I understand," Trudeau said in French. "They should remain outraged because if people will recall how we did not want to do this, no other government will violate (rights)."

Scheer basically accused the prime minister of faking it.

"I'm sure that his hands were just shaking in anger as he was adding more and more zeroes to the cheque that he gave to Omar Khadr," Scheer said.

The Tory leader said the violation of Khadr's rights occurred under Liberal governments, while Conservatives "respected the decision of the courts" and repatriated Khadr.

Tories were in power when Khadr was repatriated in 2012, but the government of Stephen Harper had earlier refused to advocate for his return and fought to keep him behind bars once he was back in Canada.

Still, Scheer said in the Commons that Khadr's repatriation was the only compensation he deserved.

"Why did the prime minister go over and above that?" Scheer asked.

Trudeau conceded "previous" governments violated Khadr's rights and said that was the central issue.

You can't just stand up for rights when it's easy or popular. You have to do it when it's hard, too.Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

"When the Canadian government does not defend people's rights, we all end up paying," he said. "That's the principle at play here and it's one that everyone, particularly members of the Conservative Party, need to remember.

"You can't just stand up for rights when it's easy or popular. You have to do it when it's hard, too."

The Toronto-born Khadr was captured in Afghanistan in 2002 at the age of 15. He later pleaded guilty to five war crimes before a maligned military commission, including throwing a grenade in a firefight that killed U.S. special forces soldier Chris Speer and blinded another American soldier.

Khadr later recanted, saying he agreed to the plea so he could get out of the U.S. prison and return to Canada. Khadr has long said he was tortured during the decade he spent at Guantanamo Bay.

In 2010, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Canadian intelligence officials had obtained information from Khadr under "oppressive circumstances," including extreme sleep deprivation, and that they illegally shared evidence with the U.S.

'Liberal profligacy'

Khadr filed a $20-million lawsuit against the federal government in 2004. Trudeau told reporters this summer that the feds would not only have "inevitably" lost if they continued to fight Khadr's suit, they could have ended up paying tens of millions of dollars more.

Though Scheer hasn't been as vocal on the topic as he once hinted, the Tory leader's ethics critic also questioned Trudeau on the matter in the House of Commons Wednesday.

Veteran Tory MP Peter Kent linked the payment to what he called "Liberal profligacy," and noted the deal was made as the government fights "Indigenous children and women in court." The federal government is currently challenging a ruling from the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal over its funding of child and family welfare services on reserves.

Trudeau told Kent he was also angry about settling with Khadr.

"If we stay angry enough for long enough, maybe no future government will ever violate a Canadian's fundamental rights that way again," he said.

P.s We are angry about the monetary settlement given to this cat, not his fundamental rights!

Why give 10.5 million in secret? And PM,  BTW staying angry doesn't help the situation !
Great advice for veterans "Stay angry!"  WOW
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Canadian veterans should take priority over Khadr

Post by Guest on Sat 02 Sep 2017, 14:10

Your letters:

Canadian veterans should take priority over Khadr

Wed., Aug. 30, 2017

Re: Help veterans, not enemies like Khadr, Letter, Aug. 28

Help veterans, not enemies like Khadr, Letter, Aug. 28

Allen Bateman made a glorious point in his letter regarding two things: post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and the way the government treats soldiers inflicted with it, plus the way the Liberal government so quickly and happily gave an admitted terrorist $10.5 million.

That money, which made Khadr a multi-millionaire and gave him a lifestyle many of us can only dream about, and also lined the pockets of his many lawyers, could have been spent not just on programs for soldiers with PTSD but other programs that help the needy. Priorities.

Randy MacDonald, Whitby

The letter from Allen Bateman is a very sad letter indeed. My heart breaks for this poor man and I’m further saddened because there are so many more like him.

It’s for reasons like those detailed in Mr. Bateman’s letter (in addition to ethical and moral reasons) that 70 per cent of Canadians opposed the payout to Khadr.

Here’s a Canadian who fought for us and cannot work because of his experiences as a soldier, but cannot get enough money to live a decent life.


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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 06:29

What'll go around will come back around.
Here's to the family getting what they rightfully deserve.
Seems like everyone is in disagreement, but are to chicken to speak out against our Government of the day.
The biggest Mob in by the feds.
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No support from this Canadian on Khadr

Post by Guest on Wed 16 Aug 2017, 06:07

No support from this Canadian on Khadr

Posted on August 16, 2017 by oshawaexpress in Letters

Dear Editor,

The latest excuse (Prime Minister Justin) Trudeau is now expecting us to swallow concerning the terrible decision to reward our enemy with 10.5 million taxpayer dollars is hilarious.

He tells us that to go to court to fight the convicted terrorist demands would mean we lose in the end, and it would cost us another $20 or $30 million dollars to boot!

This sudden concern for taxpayer funds from a part-time drama teacher, now acting like a highly qualified attorney himself is very strange behaviour from a man that gave away $2.6 billion Canadian taxpayer dollars his first week in office to the green energy scam in developing countries! This, instead of spending here at home for much needed infrastructure such as upgrading water and sewer systems that have been underground for over a hundred years! Plus the fact that several Canadian cities still dump raw sewage into our waterways! Spending taxpayer money has never been a problem for Liberals in the past, so why the sudden concern to the PM over a measly $20 or $30 million more, especially to do the right thing?

As far as this Canadian figures, anybody that leaves Canada to go and fight against us, or our allies, forfeits his or her rights as a Canadian citizen, no matter what their age may be. No Charter, no way!

Many of our vets fought against the Hitler youth in Europe and they found them to be treacherous opponents and well trained in killing.

Of course, many of our boys were actually mere boys themselves, as they lied about their age to sign up to fight for Canada. They too became well trained killers as they were paid to do just that.

What (Omar) Khadr did was an act of treason, and at one time that meant a noose or firing squad, not a reward. At the same time, theLiberal government has taken wounded Canadian vets to court to deny them proper veteran benefits after being chewed up in the Afghanistan conflict, many by the same roadside explosive devices Khadr is shown on film building to use against us! Whose side are they really on??

Disgusting excuses, nothing more!

Russ Horner


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Re: WHY???

Post by pinger on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 20:36

The GoC fracked up royally. Period.
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Re: WHY???

Post by johnny211 on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 19:37

PM ignores pleas too meet with father. Too busy doing Selfies.

Dad of dead soldier wants sit-down with PM


He had time to oversee Omar Khadr’s $10.5-million pay out and apology.

Time for foreign superstars Bono and The Edge on Canada Day and the Aga Khan for Christmas in the Bahamas. He also had to time to boast about his political acumen to Rolling Stone Magazine.

What Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has not had time to do is respond to the father of a fallen Canadian soldier in Afghanistan who can’t believe Khadr – similar to a teen who killed his son – is made a millionaire while the lives of their victims’ families remain shattered.

“I feel Khadr committed treason and should be tried for it,” said Fred McKay. “ I sent Prime Minister (Justin) Trudeau a letter July 7 (through his office's Facebook page) and I have not heard back.”

McKay, a 32-year district chief for Toronto Fire Services, said regardless, he and his wife and family will never get over what happened May 13, 2010, when two soldiers stopped by his house to tell him his 24-year-old son, Kevin, was killed.

Pte. Kevin McKay, a member of the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry Unit (PPCLI), stepped on an improvised explosive device and was killed instantly.

“We had just raised a toast to Kevin finishing his tour and being inside the wire at Kandahar Air Field, sipping a beer, waiting to come home,” said the elder McKay. “Instead, I jumped into a van towards my wife’s work (to tell her the news) and break (her) heart.”

He was supposed to be home, but a volcano meant the skies were not able to handle flights, so Kevin’s team was delayed.

“Rather than skip a day of patrol and give the Taliban a window to plant explosives, they decided to not put the incoming team at risk,” said Fred. “It was supposed to be Kevin’s last patrol there.”

It was.

He stepped out of a house they were sweeping onto an IED planted under the stairs – a blast so powerful, it severely wounded two other soldiers who are still recovering.

“I’ll tell you, it was a punch in the face,” said McKay. “Worst moment in my lifetime.”

But this summer’s bizarre $10.5-million Khadr government settlement and apology became too close to home for McKay and brought it all back to the forefront.

“I mean what the hell?” said McKay. “I don’t mean to be crass, but, really? Paying and apologizing for a Canadian working with the enemy and building IEDs to kill our people?”

Fred McKay wrote six people about the settlement, including three members of parliament: John Brassard (Barrie-Innisfil), Bruce Stanton (Simcoe-North) and Larry Miller (Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound), who all wrote back. As did Aaron Wudrick of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and legendary Toronto Sun journalist Mark Bonokoski. McKay also wrote Trudeau. The only one to not get back to him was the prime minister.

He asked Trudeau: since it was a 15-year-old solider similar to Khadr who planted the bomb that stole Kevin, “am I to believe that, should these bomb maker’s families come forward with a lawyer, our Canadian government would apologize and compensate them to the tune of $10 million?”

McKay (pronounced McEye) told Trudeau, “By the way, we received $90,000 from the government when we lost our son, a far cry from the $360,000 maximum. We were told we were receiving that particular sum because Kevin was single and had no dependants, and we accepted that reasoning.”

The mourning father is “not asking for more money” because “Kevin was a soldier and he went off to war and we all knew that he might be killed or wounded.”

But the dad says his objective is to have parliament ask Trudeau to have “Khadr tried for treason since he is seen on video building IEDS while being a Canadian citizen.”

I agree with McKay on this and e-mailed the PMO Friday to try to facilitate contact between he and Trudeau.

Eleanore Catenaro promptly replied, “Thanks for reaching out. Unfortunately, we don’t foresee an opportunity for you to sit down with the PM due to his busy schedule. I’m adding my colleague Sarah and Rob from Minister (Kent) Hehr’s office here if you would like an official comment on behalf of the government, as it falls under their purview.”

If only I worked for Rolling Stone and if only McKay’s son had been the guy building the bombs instead of being killed by one.

Maybe then there would be some time in Prime Minister Trudeau’s busy schedule.

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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 06:27

NO exceptions.

Omar Khadr comes from a family deeply connected to the Al Qaeda terrorist network. His father, Ahmed Khadr was arrested and charged with aiding terrorism!

Joined the Canadian Armed Forces to have my charter of rights and freedom (made by which pm?) to be taken away from me?
Meanwhile back in Kansas, we're throwing millions at this fellow.
There must be more to this storey, using the courts (run by the feds) and easily handing over such a large monetary award.

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'This is a human life'; Medic recalls saving Omar Khadr's life

Post by Guest on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 16:28

'This is a human life'; Medic recalls saving Omar Khadr's life



Donnie Bumanglag stands in the backyard garden of his home, Saturday, July 22, 2017, in Lompoc, Calif. Bumanglag is a former U.S. soldier who served in Afghanistan. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Michael Owen)

TORONTO — "This is a human life."

For years the battle-hardened and decorated American veteran wrestled with his conscience, with whether he’d done the right thing in saving the life of Omar Khadr, seen by many as a terrorist who profited from his crimes.

Now, watching the furor over the government’s $10.5-million payout to Khadr from afar, Donnie Bumanglag wants to tell his story, offer a perspective born of bitter experience — one he admits may not be popular with many Canadians, or even some of his own former comrades in arms.

Bumanglag, of Lompoc, Calif., 36, has spent years coming to terms with his former life as an elite airborne medic supporting U.S. special forces during three missions to Afghanistan and Iraq. He’s been haunted by flashbacks, frequently thrown back to that time in the summer of 2002, when he spent hours in the back of a helicopter frantically working on Khadr, then 15 years old and at the very edge of death.

“This is a human life. This is war. This is something that most people can’t fathom, and they want to be real quick to give an opinion just because it makes them feel good about themselves,” Bumanglag said. “(But) there’s more to this story than just talking points.”

The following account is based on interviews Bumanglag gave to The Canadian Press, as well as on a recent podcast he co-hosts in which he talks about saving Khadr.


Doc Buma, as the 21-year-old Ranger medic was known, was looking forward to leaving the remote area of Afghanistan in which he had been operating for more than a month and heading to Bagram for a shower and some downtime before redeploying to Kandahar.

Instead, as they flew toward Bagram that day in July 2002, a distress call came in. The MH-53 helicopter veered toward Khost and an encounter that would stay with him for years.

Edmund Sealey, then the Rangers platoon sergeant, remembers the call coming in with orders to divert and pick up an “enemy fighter” who had been shot.

“I was on the aircraft. We picked up that casualty in a firefight,” Sealey, 47, now of Columbus, Ga., said from Afghanistan where he still works as a contractor. “With Buma being a Ranger medic, he’s going to assist as soon as you get on board, enemy or friendly, it doesn’t matter.”

With the chopper gunners providing covering fire, they landed in a field. Sealey led the way, Bumanglag behind him, as they threaded their way through a suspected minefield, down a road, and connected with a group of U.S. special forces soldiers.

On what appeared to be a wooden door lay the wounded enemy fighter, shot twice by one of the elite Delta forces. The soldiers had found the casualty barely alive in a compound the Americans had pounded to rubble during a massive assault. One of their own, Sgt. Chris Speer, had been fatally hit by a grenade, and another, Layne Morris, blinded in one eye. It was apparent to the incoming medic that the Delta soldiers were in “some pretty severe distress” over the loss of their comrade.

“There’s a look on somebody’s face when the whole world went to s--- 10 minutes ago and it’s too much to process,” Bumanglag says.

As he recalls, the soldiers gave him bare-bones biographical data on the casualty: The fighter had killed Speer. He was a Canadian who had been Osama bin Laden’s “houseboy.” They also told him to keep the high-value detainee alive because he would be a vital source of information and passed him off.

Bumanglag was now charged with saving Khadr, son of a high-ranking member of al-Qaida. He didn’t know Khadr was 15 years old, but his youth struck him.

“I don’t know if I can call him a little kid but he sure looked little to me. He’s 80 pounds or something. He’s a little guy who’s on a door, basically,” Bumanglag says.

They moved the patient up the ramp and the chopper took off. The medic immediately began working to save the boy, who was covered in blood and sand.

“Omar, with gunshot wounds and flex cuffs like an animal had been shot, didn’t look human,” Bumanglag recalls. “But moving in closer and working on him as a patient and seeing the facial features and seeing the skin pigmentation, those images always stuck with me.”

Khadr, it turned out, bore a striking resemblance to one of Bumanglag’s cousins, which bothered the young medic then, and for years after.

“All I seen was a kid that looks like a kid that I knew.”


As the chopper bobbed and weaved toward Bagram, Doc Buma worked to stabilize his disoriented, barely conscious patient, who was writhing and moaning in pain. At the other soldiers’ insistence, Khadr’s hands remained handcuffed behind his back out of concern he might turn violent.

Bumanglag’s main task was to deal with Khadr’s two gaping bullet exit wounds on his chest. His head raced with thoughts about whether he should save the life of this “terrorist,” whether he’d have enough medical supplies for his own guys should something happen. He even pondered pushing the enemy fighter out the chopper and being done with it.

“He’s rocking his body around everywhere,” he says. “I took it as aggression. You get this idea that everybody is jihad and they’re going to fight to the death.”

Then there was his ego, he admits: the notion that saving this captive would earn him praise, would show he had what it took. So he kept working, trying to staunch the bleeding.

“My mission, my job was just to save him, keep him alive. There was no politics in it then. I was a young Ranger and this was my chance,” Bumanglag says. “I worked on him for over two hours in the back of a helicopter as the sun went down. At the end, I’m working under finger light.”

He kept working, and Khadr kept living, not saying anything, just making noises.

“His body indicated that he was a pretty brave guy. He fought for his life just as much as we fought to save him,” Bumanglag says. “Some people have a will to live and some people don’t. He definitely did.”

They finally touched down at Bagram.

“We plugged all the holes and we tried to keep things viable,” he says. “I pass him off and I don’t know whether he’s going to live or die.”

What he did know was that Khadr hadn’t died on his watch and it was therefore mission accomplished — one for which he would later be commended for by his superiors. It would take another year or so before Bumanglag learned that Khadr had survived.


Omar Khadr, born in September 1986 in Toronto spent several months recovering from his wounds at Bagram, where, from the moment he was conscious and able to speak, he underwent what were, by most accounts, some of the harshest interrogations the Americans had devised in the War on Terror.

A few months later, in October 2002, he was transferred to Guantanamo Bay. He had just turned 16.

It was in his early days at the infamous U.S. military prison in Cuba that Canadian intelligence officers went down to interrogate him. The Americans made the interviews conditional on having the information he provided passed on to them. The Canadians also knew the teen had been subjected to the “frequent flyer program,” a brutal process of sleep deprivation designed to soften him up.

Video would surface years later of a weeping teen, now realizing the Canadian agents weren’t there to help him, whimpering for his mother.

Khadr ultimately pleaded guilty to five war crimes in 2010 before a widely discredited military commission. He later disavowed his confession to having killed Speer, saying it was the only way the Americans would return him to Canada, which happened in 2012.

The Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the federal government had violated Khadr’s rights. The ruling underpinned the recent settlement of his lawsuit in which Ottawa apologized to him and, sources said, paid him $10.5 million.

“If you say you’d go through what he went through for $10 million, you’re out of your mind, and that’s the truth,” Bumanglag says.

Khadr has said he no longer remembers the firefight and would not comment on Bumanglag’s account.


Doc Buma returned to his native California and left the military in 2003. He became a police officer, working anti-narcotics, for almost 10 years. Ultimately, the flashbacks, the post-traumatic stress bested him and he retired as a cop about five years ago. He studied educational psychology, he said, as part of trying to sort himself out.

He took up co-hosting a podcast, Sick Call, in which he and a fellow vet talk about a variety of issues, including topics related to the military and law enforcement. In one recent episode, he talks about Khadr. It’s all part educating others, part therapy for himself, he says.

The years since his days in the military, when he was ready to drop everything at a moment’s notice and heed the call of duty wherever it took him, he says, have afforded him time to grow up, to gain some perspective on war, on his life as a soldier, on demonizing people he has never met or with whom he has no personal quarrel.

“I’ve been on the worst combat missions. I bought into the ideology. Now it’s time for reflection,” he says.

Time and again, he is careful to make clear he intends no disrespect to Speer’s relatives or to Morris and empathizes with what they have lost.

“Omar lost his eye, too. I don’t know how much more symbolic that can be.”

At the same time, he is clear that Speer and Morris were grown men who had signed on the line to become elite professional soldiers, knowing the risks of their jobs.

On the other hand, Bumanglag also makes it clear he empathizes with the young Canadian who was taken by his father to another country and thrown into an ideologically motivated war over which he had no control.

As a married father of four, Bumanglag says it’s naive to believe Khadr could somehow have just walked away from the compound his father had sent him to. More to the point, he says, had he found himself as Khadr did that fateful day in July — under heavy bombardment with the fighting men dead and the enemy closing in for the kill, he likely would not have hesitated to throw a grenade.

“What happens if the shoe is on the other foot? This is the scenario that I’ve played in my head,” Bumanglag says, his mind turning to those who are furious at the Canadian government’s settlement with Khadr.

“They can be upset but the reality is that they don’t understand the full story. I don’t think any of us do.”

Doc Buma says he longer frets that he should have let Khadr die.

“Everybody may hate him but I’m glad I saved his life,” he says. “It just wasn’t his time then.”


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How Omar Khadr was caught in the American fog of war

Post by Guest on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 15:55

How Omar Khadr was caught in the American fog of war: Mallick

The U.S. failed to learn from its own history, repeatedly waging war with guerrillas who spoke languages Americans couldn’t be bothered to learn. The blowback has been fantastic.

Mon., July 24, 2017

The U.S. attitude to warfare is a puzzling thing. It has been so since the Second World War, which was a clear battle between armies with distinctive uniforms Then the clarity ended.

It was the last time Americans fought a war that everyone, themselves included, fully understood. There’s something wretchedly appealing about that.

I am thinking of the fallout from the Omar Khadr settlement after a Supreme Court of Canada ruling on what happened off the battlefield when Canadian officials went along with the U.S. torture of a 15-year-old Canadian citizen.

I am thinking of the four Canadian soldiers killed and eight wounded in Afghanistan in 2002 — the same year Khadr was taken prisoner — when a U.S. fighter pilot bombed them in “friendly fire.”

The pilot, Maj. Harry Schmidt, was eventually reprimanded and fined $5,600 U.S.

As the CBC reported, Schmidt appealed, lost and later sued the U.S. military for allegedly violating his privacy. He accepted no blame. The Canadian families did not sue him. How could they?

War is complicated, something Americans have rarely been willing to concede. They tend to see war as if it were the Super Bowl, a staged event with simple rules, omnipresent umpires and cameras, and frequent, scheduled breaks. Everyone makes money.

But war is a blood soup with horrible lumps: burned baby hands, bits of bone and tendon, severed heads, desiccated corpses, scraps of fabric, dusty bones, the hoods of Abu Ghraib, families annihilated when angry male veterans return, eyeballs, bullet casings ...

In the Second World War, soldiers fought until they died or Hitler did, end of story. Modern war isn’t like that.

Without a draft to evade, it seems more like an ordinary job with “contractors” (once called “mercenaries”), tours of duty, retirements and pensions. Death is relatively rare. The horrible work is largely done by working class grunts, as the recent USS Fitzgerald collision at sea revealed.

The U.S. fought and failed in the Korean War. It shouldn’t have invaded Vietnam in the first place, but it did and lost, bringing the genocidal Khmer Rouge into Cambodia. It shouldn’t have invaded Afghanistan either, or Iraq, creating chaos that invited another horror, another style of violent death.

The U.S. failed to learn from its own history, repeatedly waging war with guerrillas who spoke languages Americans couldn’t be bothered to learn. The blowback has been fantastic.

The failure to understand modern war is summed up by “unlawful combatant.” It’s a phrase dreamed up by Americans who don’t grasp the informality of soldiering, of foreigners being deeply attached to their own soil and fighting for it until they died or the U.S. was driven out.

It is a useful term for torturers who, despite the International Criminal Court that the U.S. won’t join lest it be accused of war crimes, wanted permission to ply their trade.

Americans, fine people that they hope they are, persist in thinking that war is rational. It is not. The Supreme Court of Canada is by its nature rational, and it insists that the Canadian government not make use of the American willingness to torture our citizens.

The Second World War did not bring justice. Nothing could ever match Nazi Germany doing the worst things humans have ever done. It brought respite, which is a different thing entirely.

Ken Burns’s new documentary, The Vietnam War, will be shown on PBS in September. In preparation, I urge you to watch The Fog of War, the 2003 Errol Morris documentary in which the former U.S. Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara — incinerator, napalmer and bomber of millions from the 1945 firebombing of Tokyo to the Vietnam catastrophe — talked directly to the camera about what he had learned.

Said McNamara: “What ‘the fog of war’ means is war is so complex it’s beyond the ability of the human mind to comprehend all the variables. Our judgment, our understanding, are not adequate. And we kill people unnecessarily.”

McNamara’s extraordinary conclusion — though it was not a confession of guilt — was that the U.S. never understood what it was doing in Vietnam. He placed his hope in the American people’s retrospective wisdom.

To this end, he quoted T.S. Eliot. “We shall not cease from exploring/And at the end of our exploration/We will return to where we started/And know the place for the first time.”

He died in 2009, having lived to see two more pointless American wars. The fog of war had never cleared.


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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 07:00

More heartwarming, will be the movies & books about this incident.
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9/11 victim's wife disgusted by $10.5M Khadr deal

Post by Guest on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 06:35

9/11 victim's wife disgusted by $10.5M Khadr deal


The widow of a Toronto businessman killed in the World Trade Centre on 9/11 says its sickening that the Liberal government has allowed terrorist Omar Khadr to play the victim card and collect $10.5 million.

Maureen Basnicki’s husband, Ken Basnicki, was in New York City on business when he was killed in the North Tower on Sept. 11, 2001.
She says the “imbalance in the justice system” reared its ugly head with Khadr’s Las Vegas-like payout.

“I feel the same as the majority of Canadians,” Basnicki said. “It’s excessive and it irks me my tax dollars are going to a self-confessed member of a terrorist organization.”

“There are just so many reasons I object to it,” added the advocate for the rights of Canadian terror victims.

“The current Liberal government is jumping over hoops to make Khadr the victim and neglects to acknowledge his true victims,” Basnicki said. “There isn’t an equal balance between perpetrators and victims when it comes to their rights.”

Khadr, a Canadian detained by the U.S. for 10 years, pleaded guilty to war crimes for throwing a grenade that killed an American soldier during a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan.

After his capture Khadr was sent to the U.S. detention camp in Guantanamo Bay.

In 2006, Khadr was sentenced to an eight years but was repatriated to Canada in 2012 to serve out the remainder of his prison time.
He was released in 2015 and disputed his conviction saying he only pleaded guilty to be able to return to Canada.

Khadr sued the Canadian government for infringing on his rights under the Charter of Rights and Freedom and was given a $10.5 million settlement along with an apology from the federal government.

The move was wildly unpopular and sparked outrage by veterans, the public and politicians north and south of the border.
Basnicki says it’s still painful how poorly the government treats Canadians who are victimized outside the country.
“I want to see Canadian victims of violent crime recognized even if it happens outside our borders,” she said.

When her husband was killed, Basnicki received compensation from the U.S., not from Ottawa.

“I would have hoped the government would have been equally concerned about my rights as a victim of terrorists. The (Canadian) government even came after me for taxes owed by my late husband,” said Basnicki, adding it was at the time “when I was receiving my first shipment of body parts.”

“Victims want a just society, but rights and justice shouldn’t be just for the bad guys,” she said.
Basnicki would have preferred the Khadr case to have been settled in a court.

“Making a rich man out of a confessed terrorist. What message does that send?” she said.

“Some days I just want to turn it all off but I can’t because I’m a proud Canadian. I respect the rule of law, but I’m trying to change it where possible.”

Basnicki says a better Canada would have a Bill of Rights for victims of crime and care for Canadian citizens subject to terror or violence outside of the country.


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Re: WHY???

Post by pinger on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 19:01

Tacking into WHY....

A few thoughts of my own...

What with the ongoing continuity of the left coast class action,

10 million dollars to Omar Kadhr,

And the absolutely IGNORED implementation of THE lifelong pension promise for starters...
Put it all together...

We are fracked by default, always were in my opinion.
And if your disabled or banged up.... it.s a dammmm  hard road.

By the way....  it don't matter what your political flavour of the day is.
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Two courts differ on Omar Khadr payment

Post by Guest on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 13:11

Two courts differ on Omar Khadr payment

The court of laws and the court of public opinion.

Sat., July 22, 2017

$10.5M is far too much, Letter, July 18

Hard to disagree with this writer’s well-penned thoughts. The Omar Khadr issue has become so visceral due to being judged in two courts: the court of laws and the court of public opinion.

No civilized country can survive without a fair and comprehensive legal system. The court of laws quite rightly and rationally stated clearly that Khadr’s rights were not protected, leaving him open to torture and abuse. The non-action of Canadian authorities was despicable, illegal and Khadr deserved at least an apology and some amount of monetary compensation.

In the court of public opinion, emotions come into play. Here, Khadr is seen as a violent jihadist taken at a young age into a war zone to be a soldier by his violent, jihadist father.

It’s the optics of the size of the award that rankles much of the public, not just the award itself. Surely, much of the award money could have gone to other purposes. For instance, in the same issue of the paper, an article about the lack of funds to maintain the graves of soldiers who joined up to defend Canada and not fight against it. Could not some of the award have gone to veterans wounded physically and mentally in combat?

The strict legalists are right in their views but they just don’t get it, as they brush away public anger as ill-informed. The first court touts fairness, the second unfairness.

Sam Markou, Mississauga

Too many years ago, when I took the Queen’s shilling and signed on to the British Territorial Army Parachute Battalion, I also accepted that I might be put in harm’s way. That was the contract between myself and my sovereign.

I can only assume that when Sgt. Chris Speer signed on to the American army, he accepted that his president could put him in harm’s way in defence of American interests. Sgt. Speer accepted this contract. He worked very hard to be a first-rate professional soldier.

His toughness, skill and dedication were rewarded by his acceptance into the American army’s Delta force, a unit that is the equivalent to the Canadian Joint Task Force, the British Special Air Service and the American Navy’s SEALS. These are units of dedicated, elite soldiers; war is their profession and they are proud and eager to exercise it.

Speer and his Delta force comrades accepted that they could get killed and sadly Speer did die on the battlefield. He died doing what he was trained to do in a unit he was proud to belong to. Regardless of who killed him, that is the reality of soldiering.

Surely, Canadian judges will rule that Speer was killed in the line of duty. That he was allegedly killed by Omar Khadr is immaterial. That the U.S. courts have allowed the action against Khadr to go forward is a travesty of justice.

Peter Guy Silverman, Cobourg, Ont.

Come on, Canada! Omar Khadr was a child, for heaven’s sake, at age 15. Just look at his picture at that age: he looks 12. We don’t even publicize the name of a young teenager in Canada who commits a crime and this young man/child was thrown into a terrible prison, tortured and kept there for 13 years.

With fanatical parents like his, he had no choice. He was dragged over to a foreign country and forced to get involved in a war. He was robbed of a teen life, first by his parents and then by gun-happy Americans. But some of my fellow Canadians think he doesn’t deserve a mere $10.5 million.

If this were your child, nephew or brother, how would you feel about compensating him? I thought we Canadians were bigger than that. More understanding, more sympathetic.

Sandra Cowley, Scarborough

When speaking this week about the $10.5-million payout to Omar Khadr, Romeo Dallaire asked: “How much is 10 years of your life worth? How much is your future-destroyed life worth?”

This explanation of why Canada owes Khadr so much money is truly ill-conceived. Take a look at what actually happened to Khadr. His problems began when his father decided to take him to Afghanistan to become a terrorist. He arranged for Khadr’s indoctrination as a jihadist and his training in the art of improvised bomb — making. Khadr was unfortunate enough to be in an Al Qaeda safe house when American troops arrived and a grenade killed an American medic.

Khadr was shot, taken prisoner and delivered to Guantanamo by the American military, where he languished for years, likely suffering various forms of torture. The Americans refused to acknowledge that Khadr was a child soldier and that the medic’s death, however tragic, was the result of warfare, not a brazen act of murder.

Khadr was put on trial and sentenced to an additional eight years of incarceration after a plea deal in which he admitted killing the medic.

And what was Canada’s involvement in this long, horrific history? Canadian diplomats questioned Khadr in Guantanamo and shared information with his U.S. captors, a violation of Khadr’s rights as determined by the Supreme Court of Canada.

Since Khadr can show an actionable transgression by Canadian authorities, he is entitled to recover damages attributable to that transgression. That’s where Dallaire’s reasoning, however dramatic, falls dreadfully short. What Canadian diplomats did was totally inappropriate but had no impact on Khadr’s life. For the 10 years lost and the future problems, Khadr need look no further than his own father, for turning him into a terrorist, and to a U.S. military intent on punishing him as a murderer, regardless of international laws.

Canadians who question whether Khadr should receive $10.5 million are perfectly justified in their concerns.

Mirek A. Waraksa, Toronto

I live in Thornhill and Peter Kent is my MP. I am astounded that he wrote a letter to the Wall Street Journal criticizing the Canadian government’s payment to Omar Khadr. If he has something to say, he should either do so in the Canadian press or in the House of Commons. I am ashamed that he is my MP.

Michael Neill, Thornhill


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Canada settled with Khadr to respect the rule of law

Post by Guest on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 12:53

Canada settled with Khadr to respect the rule of law


Published on: July 21, 2017 | Last Updated: July 21, 2017 10:00 PM PDT

Former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr, 30, is seen in Mississauga, Ont., on Thursday, July 6, 2017. The federal government has paid Khadr $10.5 million and apologized to him for violating his rights during his long ordeal after capture by American forces in Afghanistan in July 2002.

Over the past week, there has been much discussion about the $10.5-million settlement paid to Omar Khadr by the federal government.

Debate still rages over what Khadr did in 2002, along with how he suffered during his decade-long detention in the United States’ Guantanamo Bay prison.

In 2002, Canadian-born Khadr was a 15-year-old child soldier, who was taken by his father to Afghanistan to fight for the al-Qaida terrorist group. He was captured in July of that year after a firefight with American soldiers in which a medic was killed and a soldier injured. He was jailed in the notorious Guantanamo Bay detention camp, where he was tortured.

In 2010, Khadr pleaded guilty to five war-crime charges, including murder — a plea he later recanted, saying his confession was coerced. In 2013, he was transferred to an Edmonton jail. He was released on bail in 2015 while he appealed his conviction on the war-crimes charges.

However, through all the debate, there is one fact that we cannot deny: Omar Khadr was tortured in violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and international law, and Canada was complicit by interrogating him and passing him on to foreign jailers, instead of seeking his release.

The Supreme Court of Canada confirmed this truth, clearly ruling that Canada violated the rule of law under the Charter, and was complicit with the United States in breaking the rule of law internationally.

In fact, the Supreme Court made this ruling on this exact question three separate times!

In its 2010 ruling, the Court even went as far as saying that the conduct of Canadian officials “offends the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects” when they interrogated him for the purpose of passing on information to his jailers rather than seeking his release.

By awarding Khadr $10.5 million, the government made a strategic, risk-based decision. The question of whether Khadr’s rights had been violated has already been settled by the courts, only leaving the question of just what Canada would have to pay as compensation. This is what the lawsuit was all about. Not about what Khadr did, but what Canada would be paying for its violation of his rights.

At the time of the settlement, Khadr was asking for $20 million in damages. Furthermore, the government had already spent $5 million dollars in legal costs on this case. By settling with Khadr, the government avoided the very likely chance of having to pay far more by fighting this case in court.

This government’s decision to settle is also an important move to show that it respects the rule of law and the courts. When Canada sent its officials to Guantanamo Bay in 2003 and 2004, it should have worked to ensure that Khadr’s rights as a Canadian citizen were being respected. Instead, the officials tried to extract more evidence from Khadr for the same people who were violating his rights and torturing him.

To restore the rule of law, Canada had to pay for its failure to protect Khadr’s rights.

Critics of the settlement argue it was improper because Khadr had pleaded guilty to murder at his own trial, and a Utah court ruled that Khadr had to pay compensation to Speer’s widow. However, these detractors miss two important points. First, the Supreme Court ruled that Khadr’s trial was improper. In fact, experts believe that Khadr was coerced into pleading guilty because he believed it was the only way to avoid living in Guantanamo Bay, where he would face more torture, potentially for the rest of his life.

Khadr’s actions do not change the fact he is a Canadian citizen. Canada had an obligation to protect his rights under the Charter and international law. The rule of law does not mean that we get to pick and choose whose rights we protect. All Canadians have the right to due process and their human rights, regardless of who they are and what they have done.

My former Senate colleague, retired Lt-Gen. Romeo Dallaire, puts it well when he says that “we were — and still are — a country that has eloquently championed new global standards over the past 20 years that lay out protections for child soldiers, and we have led efforts to end the terrible worldwide practice of drawing children into war. Yet when faced with this first example of a Canadian, one of our own children, needing that help, we looked away and abandoned him.”

We must rise above the hateful rhetoric and recognize this settlement for what it is: a return to the rule of law in Canada, and a lesson teaching us to never violate it again.

Mobina Jaffer is a senator representing British Columbia. She is deputy of chair of the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence and chair of the Senate Subcommittee on Veterans Affairs.


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Letter to the editor

Post by Guest on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 17:21

Letter to the editor

Friday, July 21, 2017 12:35:28 MDT PM

This is in reply to Judy Deol’s Letter to the Editor on Tuesday, July 18 in the Western Review. Here are some facts you did not mention in your letter; I found this information on the website you mentioned and on Wikipedia:

Omar Khadr was born in Ontario in September 1986. His father moved the family to Pakistan in 1986 and Omar lived there until 1995. Omar’s father gets arrested for bombing the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, but was set free after our illustrious Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien goes to bat for him with the Pakistani Prime Minister.

The Khadrs return to Canada briefly, but Omar’s father starts his own “humanitarian relief group” and moved the family to a Taliban camp in Jalalabad where they lived in Osama Bin Laden’s compound.

In 1995, Omar and his brother begun arms training with the Taliban. The family made annual trips to Canada to raise money and supplies, some of which ended up in terrorists’ hands. In 1999, the Khadr family moved to Kabul.

In September 2001, Omar’s father’s name was put on an FBI terrorist list related to the 911 terrorist attacks.

In November 2001, US Forces chased the Taliban out of Kabul. The Khadrs flee to the father’s orphanage in Lugar.

In June 2002, Omar completed weapons training and worked as a translator for Al-Qaeda, and was utilized as a spy for US Troop movements.

In July 2002, Omar was shot and seriously injured after throwing a grenade that took the life of a US medic, and blinding a second US soldier. Omar was saved by the very soldiers that he was trying to kill.

In October 2002, Omar was shipped off to Guantanamo Bay.

In reading these facts, it is difficult to classify Omar Khadr as anything but a Canadian when it suits him. He spent more time overseas training with terrorists.

I do not buy the “Child Soldier” story. He was 15 years old, responsible enough to have a learner’s driving permit in Canada. At that age, you know the difference between right and wrong.

Omar’s eldest brother was arrested in December 2005 in Canada for allegedly being an Al-Qaeda gun runner. He had recently returned to Canada after serving a year in Pakistani jail. Omar’s father died in a firefight in January 2004 and was identified as a “deputy” to Osama Bin Laden.

Another of Omar’s brothers was shot in the firefight that took his father’s life and was paralyzed. The grandmother launched a lawsuit against Canada, and Ontario says they would assume responsibility for the family’s health care.

The Khadr family has been self-described as “an Al-Qaeda family.” It was reported that they cheered and celebrated the 911 World Trade Centre attack.

Prime Minister Trudeau is trying to pass this off on the previous Conservative administration. It seems to me that if Chretien would have kept his nose out of it, maybe the Khadr family wouldn’t be a Canadian issue. And Omar was shot, detained, and tried by US Forces. Canada should be suing the US for his injuries and so-called torture and detainment in jail rather than Canada apologizing and paying him this outrageous amount of money. How suddenly are we civilly responsible for breaching the rights of this individual who probably spent less than three years of his life in Canada and had no qualms about putting Canadians and their allies in danger. It takes a lot more than a Canadian citizenship card to be Canadian.

Don’t tell me we owe Khadr or any other terrorist anything. Why are they given Canadian citizenship? Oh, I forgot, bleeding heart Liberal Government.

A $10.5 million settlement to a terrorist? Prime Minister Trudeau you are not apologizing on my behalf. You are putting every Canadian on the hook for this outrageous settlement. This disgraceful payment is a slap in the face of every military veteran and every other Canadian. And why is it Mr. Prime Minister that you didn’t announce this deal while parliament was sitting? You knew about it two months ago, so why wait until you are conveniently out of the country? You are a true leader to be proud of for Canada. Just my opinion only.

Don Herman

Brazeau County


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