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Halifax veterans speak out against Omar Khadr settlement

Post by Trooper on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 18:55

July 7, 2017

Halifax veterans speak out against Omar Khadr settlement

  By Jennifer Grudic

A group of veterans gathered at Grand Parade in downtown Halifax on Friday to speak out against the settlement paid to Omar Khadr.

A group of veterans gathered in downtown Halifax on Friday in protest of the $10.5 million settlement awarded to former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr.

Jay Tofflemire served almost 29 years in the Royal Canadian Navy. He said his son served two tours in Afghanistan and is now dealing with serious mental health issues.

“He was the one that opened those ambulance doors and seen what these IEDs do to people,” Tofflemire said.

“I’m not saying that my son deserves $10.5 million — he deserves to be looked after, he deserves to be heard and taken care of.”

He said he, like many Canadians, does not support the federal government’s apology to Khadr.

Roland Lawless, director of veteran outreach with the Society for Atlantic Heroes said he believes the Canadian government dropped the ball and that Canadian taxpayers shouldn’t be footing the bill.

“I don’t think that it’s fair,” Lawless said.


“I don’t think that it’s fair to our Canadian soldiers and sailors and air people that went over there to fight and then had to dispatch child soldiers. And how they have to live the rest of their life with that memory.”

Lawless, a veteran himself, said the government needs to focus more on providing support to Canadian soldiers in need of mental health supports.

“There’s not a day that goes by that our veterans don’t think about Afghanistan and the atrocities that they either had to do or witnessed,” said Lawless.


“It’s just as bad as anything that Omar Khadr went through, anywhere, in my eyes.”

Veterans UN-NATO member and Vimy medal recipient Gus Cameron said he is disgusted to see the government has moved forward with this type of settlement. He’d like to see more emphasis placed on allocating funds in support of veterans falling through the cracks.

“There’s veterans that served this country for 30-plus years that are trying to get the money together to get a wheelchair or a specialist to look at their back,” he said.

“They’re taking their own lives. We’re losing brothers and sisters every day.”

http://globalnews.ca/news/3582715/halifax-veterans-speak-out-against-omar-khadr-settlement/


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Re: WHY???

Post by teentitan on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 21:33

So I'm watching the news and the excuse for paying him is that his charter rights were violated in Gitmo. They then showed Ahrer who was detained in Syria, not a terrorist, 3 Middle East reporters with Canadian citizenship detained and again paid for illegal detainment. They then showed Steven Truscott, a French Canadian who were released from prison after it was proved they did not murder the people they were accused of killing. Charter right violations. OK they are hanging their hat on charter violation.

Then they showed the two Canadians who were held captive in the Phillipines and beheaded because the GoC does not negotiate with terrorists. Then the very next news item is Trudeau at the G20 encouraging countries not to negotiate with terrorists.

Well I have to ask did the widows of the beheaded Canadians by terrorists have their charter rights violated because the GoC did nothing to try and save their innocent spouses? Spouses who no doubt were tortured.

We have the JTF and we couldn't figure out and attempt a rescue attempt? Isn't that a governments job?

Are we veterans not being tortured by our own government of failed promises to improve our live. Isn't that a violations of our charter rights?

Has the issue of the parents of single CF soldiers killed in the line of duty not receiving the NVC death benefits? There has been a challenge of the charter by the parents of Cpl Matthew Dinning were almost successful but at the last minute they found an ex girlfriend and she got the benefit...case dismissed. Veterans groups can't challenge the charter because it has not happened to them.

Charter rights sure seem to be very fickle rules....even more then VAC rules it seems.
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Rex Murphy: Trudeau skips the theme socks for his scheming Khadr apology

Post by Trooper on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 05:59

Rex Murphy: Trudeau skips the theme socks for his scheming Khadr apology



Rex Murphy

July 7, 2017

Three things mark the Khadr announcement. The government didn’t want to be associated with it. They wanted it done swiftly. And they didn’t want Trudeau on the same continent when the news broke




… and started like a guilty thing upon a fearful summons.
— Hamlet

How and when Canadians were let in on the Trudeau government’s lavish settlement and accompanying official apology to Omar Khadr are its most curious and telling elements. No cabinet minister, and certainly not Justin Trudeau, stepped before a bank of microphones and cameras to bring the good news to Canadians before it was a done deal. How unlike Trudeau to put a blanket over his good deeds — more usually he orders up another pair of billboard socks to mark such occasions. No socks for Khadr.

We learned of it from Ottawa’s scoop master, Robert Fife. Fife is a reporter, not a Liberal spokesman. No spokesman was provided for days. The word, as it were, just got out. And it’s surely a coincidence that it got out at the tail end of our Canada Day celebrations, and on the eve of morning of the American’s Fourth of July. Wedged in between competing fireworks, so to speak. Was there anyone in the Canadian government who thought this tendentious settlement was a good way to end our national birthday party and send a message to the Americans at the beginning of theirs? However we feel about Khadr’s various doings, the Americans are still more than a little sensitive on this score. Was the timing, then, incidentally or accidentally, a diplomatic shot in the ribs to the Americans, a touch of impishness or sly scorn towards Trumpian America?


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, left, holds up a pair of socks that he received as a gift from Kelly Ripa, centre, and Ryan Seacrest in Niagara Falls, Ontario on Monday, June 5, 2017.

The bells were still tolling for Canada’s birthday and Trudeau headed off to Ireland when the news was leaked. So he was conveniently across the sea and on another continent by the time people were shaking their heads over the vast cash award, all but immune to having to answer questions about it. The travelling press caravan did get one question to him, and his comment — it’s a magical piece of work — had more blarney in it than the famous stone itself: “There is a judicial process underway that has been underway for a number of years now and we are anticipating, like I think a number of people are, that that judicial process is coming to its conclusion.”

If this be transparency let us have mud. Clams are more open. If there is information in that statement, it is under armed guard and in witness protection. Drop the padding and what we have is this: there is a process, there has been a process, and Trudeau and an unspecified number of people think this process will end. If he had just added, “And a proof is a proof, and when you have a good proof, it’s proven” we could embed this glory right under the Gettysburg address in the quotation books.

No naming of Khadr. No mention of the dollar sum. No reference to the apology. No commiserating remarks for Tabitha Speer, the wife of the dead American medic. Equally stunning, Trudeau neglected to highlight its “diversity,” which for any Justin Trudeau statement is the equivalent of going to bed without saying your night prayers.


Omar Khadr.

On Thursday, we had the capper. Fife again — he is quickly becoming the Paul Revere of all Khadr news — gave us the revelations that the $10.5 million, tax free be it noted, had already been handed over. Process complete. A government famously so sluggish in so many areas — veterans’ treatment comes first to mind — went full Road Runner getting the cash to Khadr.

Three things mark the Khadr announcement. The government didn’t want in any visible way to be associated with it. They wanted it done swiftly and with maximum distraction. And they didn’t want Trudeau on the same continent when the news broke.

Why so coy, it must be asked? Why would Trudeau and his government, having done, as I am sure in later days they will emphatically insist, the right thing, the just thing, the principled thing, the Charter-compliant thing, be so shy of association with their own high righteousness?

Most likely because there are so many questions about the Khadr absolution and jackpot he doesn’t want to answer or cannot.


Premier Brad Wall.

Why the outlandish amount? Does not repatriation, removal from the American system of justice, and a full apology from the entire government of Canada signify a generous correction by the Canadian state of what it perceives as the wrongs done to Khadr?

What does he think is the response of Canadian soldiers, particularly veterans of Afghanistan, to this deal? I’d say they are furious. He owes the servicemen and women an accounting. If he is confident of the rightness of the award, the amount, the instant payment, and the state apology, he owes them his thinking on the matter. Not some jumbled vapourizing on process mumbled reluctantly over shamrocks and sock displays in Ireland.

Finally, the judicial process. Trudeau was slippery when he talked of “anticipating” the “judicial process is coming to its conclusion.” No such thing. He had amputated the judicial process when he made those remarks. Took it out of the courts and straight to lavish settlement. Premier Brad Wall made the point as well as any: “… there ought never be an offer to ‘settle.’ Some things are worth the legal fight … right to the end.”

There is as much politics as justice involved in the Khadr settlement. In fact, there’s much more. And the manner and timing of how it has been “resolved” is a straightline indication that the political dimension is at least as powerful as the judicial one. It’s summer now, and sunny days, but fall will come, with a good chance of a long winter too on this business.

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Veteran Blinded By Omar Khadr Says Trudeau Guilty Of Treason

Post by Trooper on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 06:27

Veteran Blinded By Omar Khadr Says Trudeau Guilty Of Treason


DAVID KRAYDEN July 09, 2017
The wounded warrior who was blinded by Omar Khadr’s grenade attack that killed Sgt. Chris Speer says Canadian Prime Minster Justin Trudeau should be charged with treason.

In an interview with the Toronto Sun on Saturday, Layne Morris says Trudeau’s decision to reward the former al-Qaida terrorist with a formal apology and $10.5 million cash settlement feels “like a punch in the face.”

“I don’t see this as anything but treason,” said Morris. “It’s something a traitor would do. As far as I am concerned, Prime Minister Trudeau should be charged.”

Morris is also angry that Trudeau delivered the “compensation” money to Khadr in secret so that the settlement would be unknown to any U.S. court. Morris, along with Speer’s widow, Tabitha Speer, were awarded $134 million in a civil suit aimed against Khadr.

“It feels like a dirty deal to me,” the former U.S. Army special force sergeant said. Morris notes that Khadr was also removed from Guantanamo Bay in secret by then-president Barack Obama and sent to Canada.

“He sure gets special treatment,” Morris said, noting that the Khadr’s life was saved by American medics who could have left him to “die like a dog.”

Morris is bewildered that one of America’s closest allies would sanction a payoff to Khadr.

“We were fighting the terrorists. They were the bad guys. Something is really off here,” he said. “I can’t believe any government would get involved in something like this.”

“The fact is Chris Speer and myself were fighting with Canadians in Afghanistan. We were alongside the PPCLI [Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry]. There was a Canadian flag flying along with the American flag at our base there, so it’s quite a thing that now Canada is giving millions to a guy who would attack a compound where Canadians were serving.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/09/veteran-blinded-by-omar-khadr-says-trudeau-guilty-of-treason/
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Post by prawnstar on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 11:05

I am so disgusted by all of this it's taken me this long just to say it. JT is a pinko commie just like his dad was.

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Post by teentitan on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 11:12

The "Every Canadian is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights" is really going to be a hard sell for Trudeau.

At least now we can call Trudeau a hypocrite.

Ralph Goodale said on Friday that the court cost was up to $5 million dollars in lawyer fees with a slim chance to win against a terrorist. So why are the Libs still fighting the Equitas lawsuit in court while one of the plaintiffs is working in an Advisory Group for VAC? Unless there is another word other then hypocrite is the proper word to describe this man. Well at least know of one person in Canada he won't take a selfie with.

Hell even Harper knew when to throw in the towel in the SISIP lawsuit because of the cost of lawyer fees.
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Post by prawnstar on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 11:27

Typical GOC Lieberal BS. Go after the service men and women who served their country. Our families charter rights were not violated during many long deployments. Being put into financial hardships, mother and father deployed at the same time. What a disgrace this JT gov't is to us. He will keep embarrassing us and continue to fight us in court. I guess he figures if he wears the goofy socks and takes lots of selfies, Canadians will forgive him for his injustices to veterans.

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Re: WHY???

Post by pinger on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 15:31

I'm at a loss. Trying to be open-minded, and taking lots into consideration.
But I can not comprehend this.

A little observation of mine though... How come the last couple of weeks when this hit the news, the media has had his smiley picture with happy white teeth over and over again ?

Where the heck is his mugshot ? Because I'm sure he didn't make GQ quarterly in his past.

Just a thought....
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Re: WHY???

Post by johnny211 on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 16:40

This subject is now on CBC Cross Country Checkup, Sunday 5-7pm. Some interesting call ins.
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Re: WHY???

Post by pinger on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 18:43

I'm curious what Romeo Dallaire's thinking these day's about all of this.
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Post by Bruce72 on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 20:01

Dallaire defends Khadr. He states Khadr is a victim of child soldiering.


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/canada-failed-omar-khadr-compensation-and-an-apology-was-the-right-move/article35623662/%3Fservice%3Damp

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Post by prawnstar on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 20:23

Dallaire needs to check his head space. This innocent little child brought up by a terrorist is a victim of his own doing. The only real victim here is the widow of Sgt Speer.

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Post by teentitan on Sun 09 Jul 2017, 21:16

I'm just glad Andrew Sheer will not let this issue fade into black. Come September it is going to be right back in Trudeau's lap.

Oh and could someone inform Kent Hehr that this was not a Conservative problem they left for the Liberals. The Conservatives just handed back the problem when they got it from Martin back in 06'. Jeez I wish someone would find the damn reset button on this guy because he needs his software updated.
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Post by Dannypaj on Mon 10 Jul 2017, 05:37

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1163505&playlistId=1.3492762&binId=1.3378530&playlistPageNum=1

Common sense truth, speaks for itself.
None of us understands this & I am sure in Afghanistan the news of this, is a victory.

Question.: Back to Romeo,
Our Air, Army, Navy cadets (12-18) they call them cadets, not child soldiers in Canada.
We can charge Adolescents as an Adult in Canada and also not hand out $10,500,000.

P.s Be careful what you post in whatever groups you may belong to on Facebook,  you maybe booted out for speaking up on
1. $10,500,000 or
2. Members off duty, getting dishonorable released and VRAB; on or off duty policy (double standards).




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Post by Dannypaj on Mon 10 Jul 2017, 05:56

Leader of the Conservative Party, Andrew Scheer states;
"This disgusting payout is an insult to our men and women in uniform who fight bravely for us".

This statement was In support of these brave individuals;

Halifax veterans speak out against Omar Khadr settlement
A group of veterans gathered in downtown Halifax on Friday in protest of the $10.5 million settlement awarded to former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar…
globalnews.ca


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