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Post by Dannypaj on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 09:12

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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 06:30

Grievous-Injustice
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/the-%e2%80%98grievous-injustice%e2%80%99-of-the-khadr-settlement/ar-AAosFEj?li=AAggFp5&ocid=SNYDHP

Where you a child soldier overseas?
Maybe a Cadet?
Not sure if it is considered a "child soldier", if overseas wearing a uniform and training with the CFs,  is considered to be (soldier in training in non-conflict zone).
I can say this, because I experienced it at the age of 12-15) at the C.F.B in Baden, in the late 80's early 90's. and probably other cadets as well.
Yet, still joined the C.F as a reg. force member (and I know a handful of others from Baden who joined as well).  
Once loyal to the CF, always loyal!....So, ask yourself the question, why?
Yup,a free man, living in the best country in the world.
That is sufficient forgiveness.
Adding $10.5 million to that picture is gilding the lily more than just a bit.
& for our Veterans and Peacekeepers an absolute demoralizing, undermining and disgraceful settlement and to use the Charter of Rights to protect someone, with clear evidence of making IED's!
Pandora's box,
I have rights,
I am a special citizen!
According to The Veterans rights!

CAN YOU PROVE G.O.C that none of the IEDs made by his little cult did not injure or kill our own, or our allies a 100% beyond the burden of a doubt?
You can doubt me and thousands of other veterans  at the  VRAB and I am on the same team and yet...........
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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 05:46

The Bill contains seven rights and is meant to be "clear and concise." It reads:

Canadian veterans, who have committed their lives and "service" for the freedoms Canadians enjoy today are special citizens. They deserve recognition, benefits and services to maintain an appropriate quality of life during all stages of their lives. Their special status should be recognized in all jurisdictions, federal, provincial and municipal. Compared to whom now?

Veterans have a right to be treated with courtesy, with respect and in a timely fashion in all their contacts with Veterans Affairs Canada at all levels of the Department. This respect, courtesy and timeliness of service must also be demonstrated to their families and dependants.

Veterans have a right to be fully informed of all programs and benefits to which they are eligible. In that respect, Veterans Affairs Canada has a responsibility to inform not only their current clients; it also has a responsibility to reach out in providing information to potential clients. Got to be kidding me on this statement. Maybe changed?

Veterans have a right to be provided with equal benefits in any part of the country in which they or their dependants reside. Geographical location should not determine the quality or level of service provided. Confidentiality of information must be preserved. (Letters with type of medication your on with clear windows for all to see)

Veterans have a right to receive fair and equal treatment, irrespective of rank, position, or status. They should be treated with tact, comprehension and understanding. They should be involved in the decisions affecting their care and the formulation of programs and benefits.

Veterans have a right to receive referral and representational assistance in presenting their claims for benefits and services in the official language of their choice. This assistance should be broad based, and should not be restricted to governmental agencies.


"In the 2006 federal election, the Conservative Party of Canada campaigned for veterans' rights"!
and
"The Canadian Charter of rights & Freedoms, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau Snr. was a major advocate of the Charter".
So now infighting.
Disrespected and disgusted still?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans%27_Bill_of_Rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!
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Khadr rewarded for killing U.S. soldier

Post by Guest on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 16:22

Khadr rewarded for killing U.S. soldier


What justifies the Supreme Court and our government awarding a terrorist over $10 million


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Khadr rewarded for killing U.S. soldier

As a veteran with 27 years of military service I join the huge majority of Canadians opposed to the outrageous financial award given to Khadr.

What justifies the Supreme Court and our government awarding a terrorist over $10 million because he was mistreated or a prisoner after killing a U.S. soldier? Would their decision be the same if it had been a Canadian soldier? And then our government awards a small disability pension to our veterans who have been wounded, maimed and even killed by Khadr’s terrorist friends.

I am sure that Pierre Trudeau did not intend that his Rights and Freedom bill would give terrorists every right and freedom that our service men and women serve to protect. It is obvious that the Rights and Freedom bill needs some amendments.

When Khadr left Canada to join Al-Qaeda his citizenship should have been revoked and never allowed back into Canada. Instead, our government has rewarded him handsomely for killing a U.S. soldier.

Tom Stephens

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https://www.cowichanvalleycitizen.com/opinion/khadr-rewarded-for-killing-u-s-soldier/

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CANADA’S TERRORIST SWEEPSTAKES

Post by Guest on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 06:35

CANADA’S TERRORIST SWEEPSTAKES

Muslim militant bags $10.5 million, plus an apology.

July 19, 2017  Lloyd Billingsley



The Canadian government will pay $10.5 million to Omar Khadr, 30, the Canadian-born al-Qaeda militant who killed American soldier, Sgt. Christopher Speer, in a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan.

Khadr was captured and served some 10 years in Guantanamo before signing a deal allowing him to serve the remainder of his sentence in Canada. He was released in 2015 and is now reportedly living comfortably in Edmonton. In addition to the $10.5 million ($8 million in Canadian funds), the Canadian government will issue an apology to Khadr. That has left many Canadians puzzled but an American case may offer some perspective.

John Walker Lindh, a teenage Muslim convert, trained in al-Qaeda camps and like Omar Khadr was captured in battle in Afghanistan. Lindh explained that his “heart became attached” to the Taliban, with whom he fought against U.S. Afghan allies.

Senator Hillary Clinton declared Lindh a traitor and 40 percent of Americans believed that “Jihad Johnny” should be tried for treason. In February 2002, Lindh pleaded guilty to two charges and the Taliban trooper was sentenced to 20 years in prison without parole.

Like Khadr, Lindh lawyered up and made a plea for a reduced sentence but in January 2009 President George W. Bush denied his petition. Lindh remains at the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, slated for release in May, 2019.

Imagine if the U.S. federal government released Jihad Johnny ahead of time, paid him $10.5 million, and added an official apology. Safe to say, social media would explode, and there could even be a march on Washington. As for Omar Khadr, his case marks a stark contrast to the Canadian experience.

Canadians have normally fought abroad in the Canadian Army, with Canada’s allies, and against Canada’s enemies. My grandfather Lorne Henry Billingsley was with the Canadian forces at Vimy Ridge and other major battles of World War I.  He was one of the first victims of German mustard gas attack but he never received a monetary award in seven figures.

His son James Richard Billingsley, who recently passed away at 94, fought in the World War II Battles of Groningen and Oldenburg. He was twice wounded in action but returned to his regiment and fought on. The Canadian government never issued this hero a monetary award, let alone anything in the millions.

My father Kenneth Billingsley’s World War II service in the Canadian Merchant Marine left him with respiratory problems but he never received any kind of monetary payout. Indeed, the Canadian government contested my mother’s efforts to get the veteran the compensation he deserved.

Canada’s few remaining World War II veterans and their families would be more worthy recipients for the $10.5 million, accompanied by an official proclamation of thanks for their role in defeating Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist regime. Other candidates come to mind.

During the Iranian hostage crisis, as portrayed in the film Argo, Canadians helped Americans escape the clutches of Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini and his Islamic regime. Those who pulled off the “Canadian Caper,” are surely more deserving of a monetary reward than Omar Khadr.

Consider also Kevin Vickers, the Canadian House of Commons sergeant-at-arms who in 2014 shot dead Islamic terrorist Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, who had already murdered a Canadian soldier. Vickers’ action surely saved many lives but no rush to stuff millions into his bank account.

And how about the Canadian sniper who recently took down an Islamic State jihadi at 3,540 meters, a new world record. Might he be more worthy of recognition and reward than Omar Khadr?

According to Omar, his father Ahmed, a bagman for Osama bin Laden, was “just trying to raise his children the right way.” As Michael Friscolanti noted in MacLean’s, “not once does Khadr accept even a shred of responsibility for his lot, consistently shifting the blame to everyone else.” A ballpark figure for what he deserves is zero.

The surest sign of a rotten ruling class is the inability to distinguish between allies and enemies,

When Sado-Stalinist dictator Fidel Castro died last year, Justin Trudeau called him a “remarkable leader.” So no surprise the Prime Minister can’t tell the difference between Muslim militants and their victims. In similar style, he fails to recognize that actions have consequences.

The $10.5 million gift to Omar Khadr is certain to boost the jihadis’ recruitment drive. On the other hand, it will not spare Canadians from terrorists’ wrath.

At least 24 Canadians perished in the attacks of September 11, 2001. A 2016 attack by al-Qaeda in Burkina Faso claimed six Canadian lives and more than 20 others from 18 different countries. In April, 2016, Muslim Abu Sayyaf terrorists in the Philippines beheaded Canadian hostage John Ridsdel of Calgary and left his head on the street in a plastic bag.

Even so, the Trudeau government seeks to colonize Canada with Muslim refugees whose identities cannot be verified. As the anthem says, we stand on guard for thee.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267320/canadas-terrorist-sweepstakes-lloyd-billingsley



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Tory MP Cheryl Gallant slams media for 'fake news' around Omar Khadr

Post by Guest on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 14:37

Tory MP Cheryl Gallant slams media for 'fake news' around Omar Khadr


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Published on: July 18, 2017 | Last Updated: July 18, 2017 9:54 AM EDT


Cheryl Gallant, Conservative, Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke.

Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant is accusing media outlets, including seemingly the Citizen, of putting out “fake news” in regards to their coverage of the federal government’s $10.5-million settlement with Omar Khadr.


“Whether it’s the Toronto Star, CBC, Globe and Mail, CTV or even the National Post, editorialists and columnists have been tripping over themselves in a rush to justify Justin’s payout to Khadr,” Gallant said, in a video posted to her Facebook page last week, against a backdrop that included media signs including the Ottawa Citizen logo.

Gallant, the MP for Renfrew–Nipissing–Pembroke, made the statement in a 10-minute news-style segment called “Gallant Night News” or GNN.

She introduced her video by talking about her previous episode in which she had interviewed a veteran who was injured in Afghanistan. She also talked about Julie Payette becoming the next Governor General, about the Bank of Canada raising interest rates and about her thoughts on how some media outlets have covered the $10.5-million payout to Khadr. The money was part of a settlement of Khadr’s multimillion-dollar lawsuit against the federal government for violating his charter rights during interrogations at Guantanamo Bay.

“(The media) has been working overtime to ‘media-splain’ why you should zip it and just accept the payout,” Gallant said.


“They brought out fake news story after fake news story claiming that it was all somehow Harper’s fault. That Trudeau had no choice.”

Gallant said that apart from letters to editor and “a few rebels” it was hard to find media who oppose the payout.

“They have so thoroughly cocooned themselves into their tiny media bubble that no amount of basic common sense can be penetrating,” Gallant said.

Gallant refers to the recent poll released by the Angus Reid Institute that said 71 per cent of Canadians believe that the government made the wrong decision by settling with the Khadr.

“Canadians do not want a government that gives $10 million to somebody who built a roadside bombs when the same government is refusing to give a benefit to a qualifying veteran injured by a roadside bomb,” Gallant said.

In her last video posted two weeks ago, Gallant interviewed a veteran named Roger Perrault who was injured by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and who she said was denied his critical injury benefit.

The video has received 1,400 views on Facebook.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/tory-mp-cheryl-gallant-slams-media-for-fake-news-around-omar-khadr

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Post by Dannypaj on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 05:57

https://www.facebook.com/640toronto/videos/1509741709049364/

As soldiers we're taught to give specific info to the enemy.
This is a war against terrorist, no need for civilians on the sidelines to interfere, if so, put your asses out on the line.
There's far much more mental torture dealing with life when you have physical and mental injuries and abandoned.
I was discriminated against.
I was medically released as a visible minority, (Disabled).
I just never sued the GOC.
Maybe time to look at my options?
A lawyer representing my case was disbarred.....No wonder.
Lawyers and Politicians are the same, can't trust neither.
Hence promises made, can be a promises broken, without blinking an eye.
Unless you fit the agenda.....
This political decision backfired, 30% agreed to the 70% that didn't.

Apologize in advance if I  keep posting on this topic, but it's still in the news and has not been properly explained, nor resolved and maybe around for awhile.

Guessing by the statement made by individual speaking in above report that "we as a Canadian Soldiers don't have a life?"
WTF over! He was taking part in juvenile delinquent activities overseas, look at the footage!!!


Discouraged with your treatment! And the way your file grinded, or is still grinding through our VRAB or VAC system?
This is unsatisfactory, the way the Veteran's Community is drawn into this and spoken of like we are worth less then this man.
This will surely be a defining moment in our history as to the Care, Compassion & Respect that'll be received from this moment forward.
Who's better looked after?
Review after review, more like saving dollars after saving dollars and coming up with excuses to why your not entitled to a benefit.
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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 04:19

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/khadr-payout-starts-getting-us-attention/ar-BBECpiR?li=AAggNb9&ocid=SNYDHP

Now our brothers and sisters across the border in the States have heard the out cry.
"It is a pathetic interpretation of the law. Canada basically rewarded a murderer." does he have a legitimate reason to say.

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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 08:10

M.C should sue O.K.
Video footage of said accused or admitted, making I.E.Ds.
Don't kid yourself where they ended up and by whom.
What would happen to a said regular joe 15 years old Canadian, doing this stuff on Canadian soil, a comprehensive investigation!!!
Sure there's finger prints on said devices, recovered, recorder and analysised by the USA.
$135million lawsuit in the states, $360thousand for our Canadian soldier.
Q of L is not a dollar sign!
Enough said.
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Post by Dannypaj on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 07:58

And once upon a time I believed that the government of Canada had its soldiers best interests.
Guess not.
I cannot imagine this'll go over well come elections.
Maybe I am miss guided & have been for years.
Look at what sort of leadership and leaders we've been following.
At present, I am not bowing down to this miss representation of Canada. Nor will my values be persuaded, or changed in order to fit the so called government of the day agenda.


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Canada's shameful history of neglecting veterans

Post by Guest on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 06:22

Canada's shameful history of neglecting veterans


BY JAMES WALLACE, V-P, EDITORIAL, SUNS

SUNDAY, JULY 16, 2017 07:26 PM EDT | UPDATED: SUNDAY, JULY 16, 2017 08:51 PM EDT


In one of the many emotional ramp ceremonies conducted during Canada's mission in Afghanistan, Royal Canadian Dragoons Trooper Marc Diabto's flag-draped casket is carried by fellow soldier to an awaiting CC-130 aircraft for repatriation back home from Kandahar. Diabto was killed and four others wounded by an IED on March 8, 2009. (Sun files)

Few in Canada, apart from his apologists, support the federal Liberals' secret $10.5 million payoff and formal apology to Omar Khadr.

There’s little mystery in that.

Khadr, regardless of his relative youth at the time or the specifics of his engagement in a firefight that left a U.S. soldier dead, was widely viewed as having won a jackpot for fighting with terrorists against Canada.

However, while an Angus Reid poll showed three-quarters of ordinary Canadians think the Liberals made the wrong decision by settling with Khadr, for the men and women in Canada’s armed forces, particularly our wounded veterans, it was nothing short of abject betrayal.

Ottawa has spent years fighting a class action lawsuit by injured and disabled Afghanistan veterans seeking to overturn 2007 Conservative government changes to pension entitlements that for many, substantially cut their benefits.

So when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau offered a back-handed condemnation last week for his government’s shameful deal and apology to Khadr, saying “The Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects all Canadians, every one of us, even when it is uncomfortable,” those words stuck in the craw of many of our wounded warriors.

The insult wasn’t tied to whether the courts would eventually agree that Canada failed to protect Khadr’s rights, whether he was subjected to abusive, illegal and degrading interrogation and treatment — conditions that invalidate his guilty pleas before an American military tribunal to terrorism and murder.

Rather, the insult was tied to the fact that if the federal Liberals can do right by Khadr, compensating him for the violation of his rights following capture and imprisonment at Guantanamo Bay, then why have they taken so long to make good on a promise to do right by our veterans.

“Our outrage has nothing to do with Khadr’s rights,” said Marc Burchell, president of Equitas Society, the group supporting the six disabled Afghan war veterans fighting the government in court.

“All Canadians have rights,” Burchell said. “The anger is that the government moved quickly to satisfy Khadr’s rights but has failed to do the same after promising veterans they would reinstate their pensions.”

In 2007, Stephen Harper’s Conservative government changed Canada’s disability benefits for veterans, replacing lifelong pension payments with a “New Veterans Charter” that included a one-time, maximum $360,000 payout and complex pension entitlement system.

Major Mark Campbell, now retired and one of the six suing the government, was an infantry officer training and mentoring Afghan troops in June 2008 when he was targeted during a village sweep operation in Afghanistan.

Insurgents had buried an improvised explosive device (ironically similar to the ones Khadr made while training with al Qaeda) and detonated the bomb as Campbell walked by. His unit was then hit on three sides by rocket propelled grenades and machine-gun fire, a “complex ambush”.

In the dust and chaos, Campbell looked down and saw the blast had blown off one leg, shredded the other. He died, twice, on operating tables and was revived. He endured multiple surgeries, extended rehabilitation, was left permanently disabled, in permanent pain, with a host of life-long injuries and post-traumatic stress disorder.

Trained throughout his career to overcome adversity, Campbell didn’t expect, then or now, betrayal from his own government.

“I served for 20 years before they changed the rules,” Campbell told the Sun. “They changed the rules in the middle of the war and they didn’t bother to tell us they restructured the benefit.”

For Campbell, the new “charter” meant a 46% reduction in lifetime compensation. With a wife, young son and daughter, it meant a reduced income and lifetime of significant disability-related expenses.

“It’s a good deal for them, not such a good deal for me,” he said.

During the 2015 federal election campaign, the Liberals harshly criticized the Conservatives and promised to address veteran disability compensation.

“We have a social covenant with all veterans and their families that we must meet with both respect and gratitude,” the Liberals said on their website.

“Veterans who need crucial mental health services are waiting months, even years, to get help. Harper even left over $1 billion budgeted for veterans’ services unspent.”

“A Liberal government will live up to our obligation to Canada’s veterans and their families. We will demonstrate the respect and appreciation for our veterans that Canadians rightly expect, and ensure that no veteran has to fight the government for the support and compensation they have earned.”

During the campaign, Trudeau promised to “reinstate lifelong pensions and increase their value in line with the obligation we have made to those injured in the line of duty.”

That hasn’t happened.

Instead, Campbell and five other veterans continue to fight the government in court, and rightly question the priorities of a government that deals expeditiously to address the wronged rights of a convicted terrorist ahead of a promise to do right by the men and women harmed and broken in the service of this nation.

“It is frustrating,” Campbell said.

“They not only gave Khadr $10.5 million, they gave him a formal apology. Meanwhile we’ve got 20-somethings sentenced to life in a wheelchair, and they get $360,000,” he said.

“It’s the absurdity of it.”

Canada has a track record of turning its back on war veterans.


During WWI, then-Prime Minister Robert Borden promised Canadian soldiers the country would look after them, particularly those injured in war.

“No man, whether he goes back or whether he remains in Flanders, will have just cause to reproach the government for having broken faith with the men who won and the men who died.”

Returning home after the war, to a fragile economy, returning veterans asked the government for a $2,000 payment to help them adjust and compensate them for lost wages during the war.

The government refused.

Although the federal government built a series of veterans’ hospitals across the country during and following the two great wars, inadequate services and pensions for veterans became a chronic problem.

By the late 1990s, a Senate committee on pension reform talked about a “common thread” on the pension process running through reports dating back to 1981.

“As veterans have aged, the frustration and anger over the years it could take to fully adjudicate a pension claim have mounted,” the committee reported. “Repeated efforts to ‘fix’ the system did not do away with backlogs of thousands of cases and waits of one to two years just to get a first level decision.”

The Ombudsman for the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Forces has written a number of reports detailing problems with pension compensation, and in 2007, Stephen Harper’s Conservative government tried to fix problems with a new “Veteran’s Charter” that improved benefits for some but replaced lifelong pensions with a complex, bureaucratic system that reduced benefits for many.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/16/canadas-shameful-history-of-neglecting-veterans


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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 09:16

ScottyG wrote:The interest alone will reward him 400000 per year for life....far exceeding what a totally ruined vet would receive in his life time

Simple math
$10,500,000* .3% (average interest, per year)
Starting Principal:  $   10,500,000
Years:       1
Annual Interest Rate:      %  3

 

Results

Future Value, using...  
 Simple Interest:  $    10,815,000
 Interest made = $     $315,000

OMG, I am sick to my stomach.

SHORT CUT TO SIMPLE CALCULATER
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/simple_interest_calculator.htm
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Post by Dannypaj on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 08:47

Hmmm....BUT, The United states military members are treated with respect and appreciation for their service, quoted Ab. L. " basic element of being a nation is you take care of those who are born to battle".
AN ACTUAL CONTRACT!
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Post by Dannypaj on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 07:46

This is more like my Canada.
canadians-raise-money-for-us-soldiers-family-after-khadr-settlement

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canadians-raise-money-for-us-soldiers-family-after-khadr-settlement/ar-BBErNdL?li=AAggFp5&ocid=SNYDHP

Speer has not responded to requests to talk about the situation but in the past expressed appreciation for a similar fundraiser in 2012, when Khadr was returned from Guantanamo Bay to Canada to serve out his sentence. That campaign raised about $100,000 — with about half coming from the Edmonton-based South Alberta Light Horse Regiment.
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