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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 08:58

And once upon a time I believed that the government of Canada had its soldiers best interests.
Guess not.
I cannot imagine this'll go over well come elections.
Maybe I am miss guided & have been for years.
Look at what sort of leadership and leaders we've been following.
At present, I am not bowing down to this miss representation of Canada. Nor will my values be persuaded, or changed in order to fit the so called government of the day agenda.


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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 09:10

M.C should sue O.K.
Video footage of said accused or admitted, making I.E.Ds.
Don't kid yourself where they ended up and by whom.
What would happen to a said regular joe 15 years old Canadian, doing this stuff on Canadian soil, a comprehensive investigation!!!
Sure there's finger prints on said devices, recovered, recorder and analysised by the USA.
$135million lawsuit in the states, $360thousand for our Canadian soldier.
Q of L is not a dollar sign!
Enough said.
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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 05:19

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/khadr-payout-starts-getting-us-attention/ar-BBECpiR?li=AAggNb9&ocid=SNYDHP

Now our brothers and sisters across the border in the States have heard the out cry.
"It is a pathetic interpretation of the law. Canada basically rewarded a murderer." does he have a legitimate reason to say.

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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 06:57

https://www.facebook.com/640toronto/videos/1509741709049364/

As soldiers we're taught to give specific info to the enemy.
This is a war against terrorist, no need for civilians on the sidelines to interfere, if so, put your asses out on the line.
There's far much more mental torture dealing with life when you have physical and mental injuries and abandoned.
I was discriminated against.
I was medically released as a visible minority, (Disabled).
I just never sued the GOC.
Maybe time to look at my options?
A lawyer representing my case was disbarred.....No wonder.
Lawyers and Politicians are the same, can't trust neither.
Hence promises made, can be a promises broken, without blinking an eye.
Unless you fit the agenda.....
This political decision backfired, 30% agreed to the 70% that didn't.

Apologize in advance if I  keep posting on this topic, but it's still in the news and has not been properly explained, nor resolved and maybe around for awhile.

Guessing by the statement made by individual speaking in above report that "we as a Canadian Soldiers don't have a life?"
WTF over! He was taking part in juvenile delinquent activities overseas, look at the footage!!!


Discouraged with your treatment! And the way your file grinded, or is still grinding through our VRAB or VAC system?
This is unsatisfactory, the way the Veteran's Community is drawn into this and spoken of like we are worth less then this man.
This will surely be a defining moment in our history as to the Care, Compassion & Respect that'll be received from this moment forward.
Who's better looked after?
Review after review, more like saving dollars after saving dollars and coming up with excuses to why your not entitled to a benefit.
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Tory MP Cheryl Gallant slams media for 'fake news' around Omar Khadr

Post by Trooper on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 15:37

Tory MP Cheryl Gallant slams media for 'fake news' around Omar Khadr


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Published on: July 18, 2017 | Last Updated: July 18, 2017 9:54 AM EDT


Cheryl Gallant, Conservative, Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke.

Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant is accusing media outlets, including seemingly the Citizen, of putting out “fake news” in regards to their coverage of the federal government’s $10.5-million settlement with Omar Khadr.


“Whether it’s the Toronto Star, CBC, Globe and Mail, CTV or even the National Post, editorialists and columnists have been tripping over themselves in a rush to justify Justin’s payout to Khadr,” Gallant said, in a video posted to her Facebook page last week, against a backdrop that included media signs including the Ottawa Citizen logo.

Gallant, the MP for Renfrew–Nipissing–Pembroke, made the statement in a 10-minute news-style segment called “Gallant Night News” or GNN.

She introduced her video by talking about her previous episode in which she had interviewed a veteran who was injured in Afghanistan. She also talked about Julie Payette becoming the next Governor General, about the Bank of Canada raising interest rates and about her thoughts on how some media outlets have covered the $10.5-million payout to Khadr. The money was part of a settlement of Khadr’s multimillion-dollar lawsuit against the federal government for violating his charter rights during interrogations at Guantanamo Bay.

“(The media) has been working overtime to ‘media-splain’ why you should zip it and just accept the payout,” Gallant said.


“They brought out fake news story after fake news story claiming that it was all somehow Harper’s fault. That Trudeau had no choice.”

Gallant said that apart from letters to editor and “a few rebels” it was hard to find media who oppose the payout.

“They have so thoroughly cocooned themselves into their tiny media bubble that no amount of basic common sense can be penetrating,” Gallant said.

Gallant refers to the recent poll released by the Angus Reid Institute that said 71 per cent of Canadians believe that the government made the wrong decision by settling with the Khadr.

“Canadians do not want a government that gives $10 million to somebody who built a roadside bombs when the same government is refusing to give a benefit to a qualifying veteran injured by a roadside bomb,” Gallant said.

In her last video posted two weeks ago, Gallant interviewed a veteran named Roger Perrault who was injured by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and who she said was denied his critical injury benefit.

The video has received 1,400 views on Facebook.

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CANADA’S TERRORIST SWEEPSTAKES

Post by Trooper on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 07:35

CANADA’S TERRORIST SWEEPSTAKES

Muslim militant bags $10.5 million, plus an apology.

July 19, 2017  Lloyd Billingsley



The Canadian government will pay $10.5 million to Omar Khadr, 30, the Canadian-born al-Qaeda militant who killed American soldier, Sgt. Christopher Speer, in a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan.

Khadr was captured and served some 10 years in Guantanamo before signing a deal allowing him to serve the remainder of his sentence in Canada. He was released in 2015 and is now reportedly living comfortably in Edmonton. In addition to the $10.5 million ($8 million in Canadian funds), the Canadian government will issue an apology to Khadr. That has left many Canadians puzzled but an American case may offer some perspective.

John Walker Lindh, a teenage Muslim convert, trained in al-Qaeda camps and like Omar Khadr was captured in battle in Afghanistan. Lindh explained that his “heart became attached” to the Taliban, with whom he fought against U.S. Afghan allies.

Senator Hillary Clinton declared Lindh a traitor and 40 percent of Americans believed that “Jihad Johnny” should be tried for treason. In February 2002, Lindh pleaded guilty to two charges and the Taliban trooper was sentenced to 20 years in prison without parole.

Like Khadr, Lindh lawyered up and made a plea for a reduced sentence but in January 2009 President George W. Bush denied his petition. Lindh remains at the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, slated for release in May, 2019.

Imagine if the U.S. federal government released Jihad Johnny ahead of time, paid him $10.5 million, and added an official apology. Safe to say, social media would explode, and there could even be a march on Washington. As for Omar Khadr, his case marks a stark contrast to the Canadian experience.

Canadians have normally fought abroad in the Canadian Army, with Canada’s allies, and against Canada’s enemies. My grandfather Lorne Henry Billingsley was with the Canadian forces at Vimy Ridge and other major battles of World War I.  He was one of the first victims of German mustard gas attack but he never received a monetary award in seven figures.

His son James Richard Billingsley, who recently passed away at 94, fought in the World War II Battles of Groningen and Oldenburg. He was twice wounded in action but returned to his regiment and fought on. The Canadian government never issued this hero a monetary award, let alone anything in the millions.

My father Kenneth Billingsley’s World War II service in the Canadian Merchant Marine left him with respiratory problems but he never received any kind of monetary payout. Indeed, the Canadian government contested my mother’s efforts to get the veteran the compensation he deserved.

Canada’s few remaining World War II veterans and their families would be more worthy recipients for the $10.5 million, accompanied by an official proclamation of thanks for their role in defeating Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist regime. Other candidates come to mind.

During the Iranian hostage crisis, as portrayed in the film Argo, Canadians helped Americans escape the clutches of Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini and his Islamic regime. Those who pulled off the “Canadian Caper,” are surely more deserving of a monetary reward than Omar Khadr.

Consider also Kevin Vickers, the Canadian House of Commons sergeant-at-arms who in 2014 shot dead Islamic terrorist Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, who had already murdered a Canadian soldier. Vickers’ action surely saved many lives but no rush to stuff millions into his bank account.

And how about the Canadian sniper who recently took down an Islamic State jihadi at 3,540 meters, a new world record. Might he be more worthy of recognition and reward than Omar Khadr?

According to Omar, his father Ahmed, a bagman for Osama bin Laden, was “just trying to raise his children the right way.” As Michael Friscolanti noted in MacLean’s, “not once does Khadr accept even a shred of responsibility for his lot, consistently shifting the blame to everyone else.” A ballpark figure for what he deserves is zero.

The surest sign of a rotten ruling class is the inability to distinguish between allies and enemies,

When Sado-Stalinist dictator Fidel Castro died last year, Justin Trudeau called him a “remarkable leader.” So no surprise the Prime Minister can’t tell the difference between Muslim militants and their victims. In similar style, he fails to recognize that actions have consequences.

The $10.5 million gift to Omar Khadr is certain to boost the jihadis’ recruitment drive. On the other hand, it will not spare Canadians from terrorists’ wrath.

At least 24 Canadians perished in the attacks of September 11, 2001. A 2016 attack by al-Qaeda in Burkina Faso claimed six Canadian lives and more than 20 others from 18 different countries. In April, 2016, Muslim Abu Sayyaf terrorists in the Philippines beheaded Canadian hostage John Ridsdel of Calgary and left his head on the street in a plastic bag.

Even so, the Trudeau government seeks to colonize Canada with Muslim refugees whose identities cannot be verified. As the anthem says, we stand on guard for thee.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267320/canadas-terrorist-sweepstakes-lloyd-billingsley


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Khadr rewarded for killing U.S. soldier

Post by Trooper on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 17:22

Khadr rewarded for killing U.S. soldier


What justifies the Supreme Court and our government awarding a terrorist over $10 million


Wed Jul 19th, 2017

Khadr rewarded for killing U.S. soldier

As a veteran with 27 years of military service I join the huge majority of Canadians opposed to the outrageous financial award given to Khadr.

What justifies the Supreme Court and our government awarding a terrorist over $10 million because he was mistreated or a prisoner after killing a U.S. soldier? Would their decision be the same if it had been a Canadian soldier? And then our government awards a small disability pension to our veterans who have been wounded, maimed and even killed by Khadr’s terrorist friends.

I am sure that Pierre Trudeau did not intend that his Rights and Freedom bill would give terrorists every right and freedom that our service men and women serve to protect. It is obvious that the Rights and Freedom bill needs some amendments.

When Khadr left Canada to join Al-Qaeda his citizenship should have been revoked and never allowed back into Canada. Instead, our government has rewarded him handsomely for killing a U.S. soldier.

Tom Stephens

Duncan


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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 06:46

The Bill contains seven rights and is meant to be "clear and concise." It reads:

Canadian veterans, who have committed their lives and "service" for the freedoms Canadians enjoy today are special citizens. They deserve recognition, benefits and services to maintain an appropriate quality of life during all stages of their lives. Their special status should be recognized in all jurisdictions, federal, provincial and municipal. Compared to whom now?

Veterans have a right to be treated with courtesy, with respect and in a timely fashion in all their contacts with Veterans Affairs Canada at all levels of the Department. This respect, courtesy and timeliness of service must also be demonstrated to their families and dependants.

Veterans have a right to be fully informed of all programs and benefits to which they are eligible. In that respect, Veterans Affairs Canada has a responsibility to inform not only their current clients; it also has a responsibility to reach out in providing information to potential clients. Got to be kidding me on this statement. Maybe changed?

Veterans have a right to be provided with equal benefits in any part of the country in which they or their dependants reside. Geographical location should not determine the quality or level of service provided. Confidentiality of information must be preserved. (Letters with type of medication your on with clear windows for all to see)

Veterans have a right to receive fair and equal treatment, irrespective of rank, position, or status. They should be treated with tact, comprehension and understanding. They should be involved in the decisions affecting their care and the formulation of programs and benefits.

Veterans have a right to receive referral and representational assistance in presenting their claims for benefits and services in the official language of their choice. This assistance should be broad based, and should not be restricted to governmental agencies.


"In the 2006 federal election, the Conservative Party of Canada campaigned for veterans' rights"!
and
"The Canadian Charter of rights & Freedoms, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau Snr. was a major advocate of the Charter".
So now infighting.
Disrespected and disgusted still?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans%27_Bill_of_Rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!
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Re: WHY???

Post by Dannypaj on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 07:30

Grievous-Injustice
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/the-%e2%80%98grievous-injustice%e2%80%99-of-the-khadr-settlement/ar-AAosFEj?li=AAggFp5&ocid=SNYDHP

Where you a child soldier overseas?
Maybe a Cadet?
Not sure if it is considered a "child soldier", if overseas wearing a uniform and training with the CFs,  is considered to be (soldier in training in non-conflict zone).
I can say this, because I experienced it at the age of 12-15) at the C.F.B in Baden, in the late 80's early 90's. and probably other cadets as well.
Yet, still joined the C.F as a reg. force member (and I know a handful of others from Baden who joined as well).  
Once loyal to the CF, always loyal!....So, ask yourself the question, why?
Yup,a free man, living in the best country in the world.
That is sufficient forgiveness.
Adding $10.5 million to that picture is gilding the lily more than just a bit.
& for our Veterans and Peacekeepers an absolute demoralizing, undermining and disgraceful settlement and to use the Charter of Rights to protect someone, with clear evidence of making IED's!
Pandora's box,
I have rights,
I am a special citizen!
According to The Veterans rights!

CAN YOU PROVE G.O.C that none of the IEDs made by his little cult did not injure or kill our own, or our allies a 100% beyond the burden of a doubt?
You can doubt me and thousands of other veterans  at the  VRAB and I am on the same team and yet...........
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Post by Dannypaj on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 10:12

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/khadr-quarrel-tests-bipartisanship-on-nafta/ar-AAov2eS?li=AAggNb9&ocid=SNYDHP
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Letter to the editor

Post by Trooper on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 18:21

Letter to the editor


Friday, July 21, 2017 12:35:28 MDT PM

This is in reply to Judy Deol’s Letter to the Editor on Tuesday, July 18 in the Western Review. Here are some facts you did not mention in your letter; I found this information on the website you mentioned and on Wikipedia:



Omar Khadr was born in Ontario in September 1986. His father moved the family to Pakistan in 1986 and Omar lived there until 1995. Omar’s father gets arrested for bombing the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, but was set free after our illustrious Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien goes to bat for him with the Pakistani Prime Minister.

The Khadrs return to Canada briefly, but Omar’s father starts his own “humanitarian relief group” and moved the family to a Taliban camp in Jalalabad where they lived in Osama Bin Laden’s compound.

In 1995, Omar and his brother begun arms training with the Taliban. The family made annual trips to Canada to raise money and supplies, some of which ended up in terrorists’ hands. In 1999, the Khadr family moved to Kabul.

In September 2001, Omar’s father’s name was put on an FBI terrorist list related to the 911 terrorist attacks.

In November 2001, US Forces chased the Taliban out of Kabul. The Khadrs flee to the father’s orphanage in Lugar.

In June 2002, Omar completed weapons training and worked as a translator for Al-Qaeda, and was utilized as a spy for US Troop movements.

In July 2002, Omar was shot and seriously injured after throwing a grenade that took the life of a US medic, and blinding a second US soldier. Omar was saved by the very soldiers that he was trying to kill.

In October 2002, Omar was shipped off to Guantanamo Bay.

In reading these facts, it is difficult to classify Omar Khadr as anything but a Canadian when it suits him. He spent more time overseas training with terrorists.

I do not buy the “Child Soldier” story. He was 15 years old, responsible enough to have a learner’s driving permit in Canada. At that age, you know the difference between right and wrong.

Omar’s eldest brother was arrested in December 2005 in Canada for allegedly being an Al-Qaeda gun runner. He had recently returned to Canada after serving a year in Pakistani jail. Omar’s father died in a firefight in January 2004 and was identified as a “deputy” to Osama Bin Laden.

Another of Omar’s brothers was shot in the firefight that took his father’s life and was paralyzed. The grandmother launched a lawsuit against Canada, and Ontario says they would assume responsibility for the family’s health care.

The Khadr family has been self-described as “an Al-Qaeda family.” It was reported that they cheered and celebrated the 911 World Trade Centre attack.

Prime Minister Trudeau is trying to pass this off on the previous Conservative administration. It seems to me that if Chretien would have kept his nose out of it, maybe the Khadr family wouldn’t be a Canadian issue. And Omar was shot, detained, and tried by US Forces. Canada should be suing the US for his injuries and so-called torture and detainment in jail rather than Canada apologizing and paying him this outrageous amount of money. How suddenly are we civilly responsible for breaching the rights of this individual who probably spent less than three years of his life in Canada and had no qualms about putting Canadians and their allies in danger. It takes a lot more than a Canadian citizenship card to be Canadian.

Don’t tell me we owe Khadr or any other terrorist anything. Why are they given Canadian citizenship? Oh, I forgot, bleeding heart Liberal Government.

A $10.5 million settlement to a terrorist? Prime Minister Trudeau you are not apologizing on my behalf. You are putting every Canadian on the hook for this outrageous settlement. This disgraceful payment is a slap in the face of every military veteran and every other Canadian. And why is it Mr. Prime Minister that you didn’t announce this deal while parliament was sitting? You knew about it two months ago, so why wait until you are conveniently out of the country? You are a true leader to be proud of for Canada. Just my opinion only.

Don Herman

Brazeau County

http://www.draytonvalleywesternreview.com/2017/07/21/letter-to-the-editor
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Canada settled with Khadr to respect the rule of law

Post by Trooper on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 13:53

Canada settled with Khadr to respect the rule of law


MOBINA JAFFER

Published on: July 21, 2017 | Last Updated: July 21, 2017 10:00 PM PDT


Former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr, 30, is seen in Mississauga, Ont., on Thursday, July 6, 2017. The federal government has paid Khadr $10.5 million and apologized to him for violating his rights during his long ordeal after capture by American forces in Afghanistan in July 2002.

Over the past week, there has been much discussion about the $10.5-million settlement paid to Omar Khadr by the federal government.

Debate still rages over what Khadr did in 2002, along with how he suffered during his decade-long detention in the United States’ Guantanamo Bay prison.

In 2002, Canadian-born Khadr was a 15-year-old child soldier, who was taken by his father to Afghanistan to fight for the al-Qaida terrorist group. He was captured in July of that year after a firefight with American soldiers in which a medic was killed and a soldier injured. He was jailed in the notorious Guantanamo Bay detention camp, where he was tortured.

In 2010, Khadr pleaded guilty to five war-crime charges, including murder — a plea he later recanted, saying his confession was coerced. In 2013, he was transferred to an Edmonton jail. He was released on bail in 2015 while he appealed his conviction on the war-crimes charges.

However, through all the debate, there is one fact that we cannot deny: Omar Khadr was tortured in violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and international law, and Canada was complicit by interrogating him and passing him on to foreign jailers, instead of seeking his release.

The Supreme Court of Canada confirmed this truth, clearly ruling that Canada violated the rule of law under the Charter, and was complicit with the United States in breaking the rule of law internationally.

In fact, the Supreme Court made this ruling on this exact question three separate times!

In its 2010 ruling, the Court even went as far as saying that the conduct of Canadian officials “offends the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects” when they interrogated him for the purpose of passing on information to his jailers rather than seeking his release.

By awarding Khadr $10.5 million, the government made a strategic, risk-based decision. The question of whether Khadr’s rights had been violated has already been settled by the courts, only leaving the question of just what Canada would have to pay as compensation. This is what the lawsuit was all about. Not about what Khadr did, but what Canada would be paying for its violation of his rights.

At the time of the settlement, Khadr was asking for $20 million in damages. Furthermore, the government had already spent $5 million dollars in legal costs on this case. By settling with Khadr, the government avoided the very likely chance of having to pay far more by fighting this case in court.

This government’s decision to settle is also an important move to show that it respects the rule of law and the courts. When Canada sent its officials to Guantanamo Bay in 2003 and 2004, it should have worked to ensure that Khadr’s rights as a Canadian citizen were being respected. Instead, the officials tried to extract more evidence from Khadr for the same people who were violating his rights and torturing him.

To restore the rule of law, Canada had to pay for its failure to protect Khadr’s rights.

Critics of the settlement argue it was improper because Khadr had pleaded guilty to murder at his own trial, and a Utah court ruled that Khadr had to pay compensation to Speer’s widow. However, these detractors miss two important points. First, the Supreme Court ruled that Khadr’s trial was improper. In fact, experts believe that Khadr was coerced into pleading guilty because he believed it was the only way to avoid living in Guantanamo Bay, where he would face more torture, potentially for the rest of his life.

Khadr’s actions do not change the fact he is a Canadian citizen. Canada had an obligation to protect his rights under the Charter and international law. The rule of law does not mean that we get to pick and choose whose rights we protect. All Canadians have the right to due process and their human rights, regardless of who they are and what they have done.

My former Senate colleague, retired Lt-Gen. Romeo Dallaire, puts it well when he says that “we were — and still are — a country that has eloquently championed new global standards over the past 20 years that lay out protections for child soldiers, and we have led efforts to end the terrible worldwide practice of drawing children into war. Yet when faced with this first example of a Canadian, one of our own children, needing that help, we looked away and abandoned him.”

We must rise above the hateful rhetoric and recognize this settlement for what it is: a return to the rule of law in Canada, and a lesson teaching us to never violate it again.

Mobina Jaffer is a senator representing British Columbia. She is deputy of chair of the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence and chair of the Senate Subcommittee on Veterans Affairs.


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Two courts differ on Omar Khadr payment

Post by Trooper on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 14:11

Two courts differ on Omar Khadr payment


The court of laws and the court of public opinion.


Sat., July 22, 2017

$10.5M is far too much, Letter, July 18

Hard to disagree with this writer’s well-penned thoughts. The Omar Khadr issue has become so visceral due to being judged in two courts: the court of laws and the court of public opinion.

No civilized country can survive without a fair and comprehensive legal system. The court of laws quite rightly and rationally stated clearly that Khadr’s rights were not protected, leaving him open to torture and abuse. The non-action of Canadian authorities was despicable, illegal and Khadr deserved at least an apology and some amount of monetary compensation.

In the court of public opinion, emotions come into play. Here, Khadr is seen as a violent jihadist taken at a young age into a war zone to be a soldier by his violent, jihadist father.

It’s the optics of the size of the award that rankles much of the public, not just the award itself. Surely, much of the award money could have gone to other purposes. For instance, in the same issue of the paper, an article about the lack of funds to maintain the graves of soldiers who joined up to defend Canada and not fight against it. Could not some of the award have gone to veterans wounded physically and mentally in combat?

The strict legalists are right in their views but they just don’t get it, as they brush away public anger as ill-informed. The first court touts fairness, the second unfairness.

Sam Markou, Mississauga

Too many years ago, when I took the Queen’s shilling and signed on to the British Territorial Army Parachute Battalion, I also accepted that I might be put in harm’s way. That was the contract between myself and my sovereign.

I can only assume that when Sgt. Chris Speer signed on to the American army, he accepted that his president could put him in harm’s way in defence of American interests. Sgt. Speer accepted this contract. He worked very hard to be a first-rate professional soldier.

His toughness, skill and dedication were rewarded by his acceptance into the American army’s Delta force, a unit that is the equivalent to the Canadian Joint Task Force, the British Special Air Service and the American Navy’s SEALS. These are units of dedicated, elite soldiers; war is their profession and they are proud and eager to exercise it.

Speer and his Delta force comrades accepted that they could get killed and sadly Speer did die on the battlefield. He died doing what he was trained to do in a unit he was proud to belong to. Regardless of who killed him, that is the reality of soldiering.

Surely, Canadian judges will rule that Speer was killed in the line of duty. That he was allegedly killed by Omar Khadr is immaterial. That the U.S. courts have allowed the action against Khadr to go forward is a travesty of justice.

Peter Guy Silverman, Cobourg, Ont.

Come on, Canada! Omar Khadr was a child, for heaven’s sake, at age 15. Just look at his picture at that age: he looks 12. We don’t even publicize the name of a young teenager in Canada who commits a crime and this young man/child was thrown into a terrible prison, tortured and kept there for 13 years.

With fanatical parents like his, he had no choice. He was dragged over to a foreign country and forced to get involved in a war. He was robbed of a teen life, first by his parents and then by gun-happy Americans. But some of my fellow Canadians think he doesn’t deserve a mere $10.5 million.

If this were your child, nephew or brother, how would you feel about compensating him? I thought we Canadians were bigger than that. More understanding, more sympathetic.

Sandra Cowley, Scarborough

When speaking this week about the $10.5-million payout to Omar Khadr, Romeo Dallaire asked: “How much is 10 years of your life worth? How much is your future-destroyed life worth?”

This explanation of why Canada owes Khadr so much money is truly ill-conceived. Take a look at what actually happened to Khadr. His problems began when his father decided to take him to Afghanistan to become a terrorist. He arranged for Khadr’s indoctrination as a jihadist and his training in the art of improvised bomb — making. Khadr was unfortunate enough to be in an Al Qaeda safe house when American troops arrived and a grenade killed an American medic.

Khadr was shot, taken prisoner and delivered to Guantanamo by the American military, where he languished for years, likely suffering various forms of torture. The Americans refused to acknowledge that Khadr was a child soldier and that the medic’s death, however tragic, was the result of warfare, not a brazen act of murder.

Khadr was put on trial and sentenced to an additional eight years of incarceration after a plea deal in which he admitted killing the medic.

And what was Canada’s involvement in this long, horrific history? Canadian diplomats questioned Khadr in Guantanamo and shared information with his U.S. captors, a violation of Khadr’s rights as determined by the Supreme Court of Canada.

Since Khadr can show an actionable transgression by Canadian authorities, he is entitled to recover damages attributable to that transgression. That’s where Dallaire’s reasoning, however dramatic, falls dreadfully short. What Canadian diplomats did was totally inappropriate but had no impact on Khadr’s life. For the 10 years lost and the future problems, Khadr need look no further than his own father, for turning him into a terrorist, and to a U.S. military intent on punishing him as a murderer, regardless of international laws.

Canadians who question whether Khadr should receive $10.5 million are perfectly justified in their concerns.

Mirek A. Waraksa, Toronto

I live in Thornhill and Peter Kent is my MP. I am astounded that he wrote a letter to the Wall Street Journal criticizing the Canadian government’s payment to Omar Khadr. If he has something to say, he should either do so in the Canadian press or in the House of Commons. I am ashamed that he is my MP.

Michael Neill, Thornhill

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/letters_to_the_editors/2017/07/22/two-courts-differ-on-omar-khadr-payment.html
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Re: WHY???

Post by pinger on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 20:01

Tacking into WHY....

A few thoughts of my own...

What with the ongoing continuity of the left coast class action,

10 million dollars to Omar Kadhr,

And the absolutely IGNORED implementation of THE lifelong pension promise for starters...
Put it all together...

We are fracked by default, always were in my opinion.
And if your disabled or banged up.... it.s a dammmm  hard road.

By the way....  it don't matter what your political flavour of the day is.
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9/11 victim's wife disgusted by $10.5M Khadr deal

Post by Trooper on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 07:35

9/11 victim's wife disgusted by $10.5M Khadr deal


BY KEVIN CONNOR, TORONTO SUN
FIRST POSTED: SATURDAY, JULY 22, 2017 05:54 PM EDT | UPDATED: SATURDAY, JULY 22, 2017 06:20 PM EDT


The widow of a Toronto businessman killed in the World Trade Centre on 9/11 says its sickening that the Liberal government has allowed terrorist Omar Khadr to play the victim card and collect $10.5 million.

Maureen Basnicki’s husband, Ken Basnicki, was in New York City on business when he was killed in the North Tower on Sept. 11, 2001.
She says the “imbalance in the justice system” reared its ugly head with Khadr’s Las Vegas-like payout.

“I feel the same as the majority of Canadians,” Basnicki said. “It’s excessive and it irks me my tax dollars are going to a self-confessed member of a terrorist organization.”

“There are just so many reasons I object to it,” added the advocate for the rights of Canadian terror victims.

“The current Liberal government is jumping over hoops to make Khadr the victim and neglects to acknowledge his true victims,” Basnicki said. “There isn’t an equal balance between perpetrators and victims when it comes to their rights.”

Khadr, a Canadian detained by the U.S. for 10 years, pleaded guilty to war crimes for throwing a grenade that killed an American soldier during a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan.

After his capture Khadr was sent to the U.S. detention camp in Guantanamo Bay.

In 2006, Khadr was sentenced to an eight years but was repatriated to Canada in 2012 to serve out the remainder of his prison time.
He was released in 2015 and disputed his conviction saying he only pleaded guilty to be able to return to Canada.

Khadr sued the Canadian government for infringing on his rights under the Charter of Rights and Freedom and was given a $10.5 million settlement along with an apology from the federal government.

The move was wildly unpopular and sparked outrage by veterans, the public and politicians north and south of the border.
Basnicki says it’s still painful how poorly the government treats Canadians who are victimized outside the country.
“I want to see Canadian victims of violent crime recognized even if it happens outside our borders,” she said.

When her husband was killed, Basnicki received compensation from the U.S., not from Ottawa.

“I would have hoped the government would have been equally concerned about my rights as a victim of terrorists. The (Canadian) government even came after me for taxes owed by my late husband,” said Basnicki, adding it was at the time “when I was receiving my first shipment of body parts.”

“Victims want a just society, but rights and justice shouldn’t be just for the bad guys,” she said.
Basnicki would have preferred the Khadr case to have been settled in a court.

“Making a rich man out of a confessed terrorist. What message does that send?” she said.

“Some days I just want to turn it all off but I can’t because I’m a proud Canadian. I respect the rule of law, but I’m trying to change it where possible.”

Basnicki says a better Canada would have a Bill of Rights for victims of crime and care for Canadian citizens subject to terror or violence outside of the country.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/22/911-victims-wife-disgusted-by-105m-khadr-deal



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