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Post by atarijedi on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 13:33

Tilap61 wrote:I don't think the athletes should boycott the games, they worked hard for it physically and mentally. That said they could boycott all of the photo ops with the politiciens.

Yet they haven't, I've seen lots of Team Canada photos with Canadian politicians. Including with Seamus ORegan , the current VAC minister. It's messed up.

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Post by Tilap61 on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 13:30

I don't think the athletes should boycott the games, they worked hard for it physically and mentally. That said they could boycott all of the photo ops with the politiciens.

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Post by bigrex on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 10:19

I agree that athletes should boycott the games, and you may be surprised to see athletes from other countries joining in , as a sign of support for our injured Veterans, especially from counties that have far better disability packages, such as the UK and Australia.

And Nemo, I think the new ToD needs to be drastically improved, (for example, someone who's in so much pain, that they cannot even stand up straight, should be considered more than just 40% disabled), but it is far superior to the old ToD, which left too much discretionary power in the hands of VAC. Because of how they graded disabilities, two veterans could have identical disabilities, with the exact same symptoms, but one could get 10% less than the other, merely because the adjudicator was having a bad day when the file was put in front of them. At least with the current ToD, you can look at what your recorded symptoms are, compare it to the ToD, and come up with a pretty good estimate of what you should receive, if given full entitlement.
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Post by Nemo on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 17:20

If this government ever gets around to reinstating the monthly pensions, then they should also go back to the previous Table of Disabilities. If you compare the previous version (1995) to the newer one under the NVC (2006), you will find that the Table of Disabilities under the NVC will classify you as less disabled than the 1995 Table of Disabilities.

For those that talk to their MP's about the Pension Act issue, you might want to bring that up as well.

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Post by bosn181 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 09:52

as always i agree trooper they will use this platform to say how well they are taking care of vets and this will be there big photo opp and you will see pics on there election campaign with vets while they will continue to say how much they have done and if we reelect them how much more they once again will promise to do and keep kicking the can down the road or continue to change the rules and qualifications on the benefits so it will look good but even fewer will qualify so it may seem cruel to boycott but its one of the few ways to shed the true light on the matters and to hold them accountable

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Post by Guest on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 07:39

atarijedi wrote:Many may not agree, as it would be politicizing something that isn't political, but I think the Vets participating, on behalf of Canada, should sit their events out. To boycott.

And when asked why, state they refuse to represent a public and government who refuses to support them when they are injured and released, who argues in court they have no obligation to offer help and support.

This is a government who relies on positive media image. They would lose their minds if this happened. The world spotlight displaying their dirty laundry. I think things would start working much faster for Vets if one brave soul had the cojones to do this for the rest of us.

atarijedi,

I just happen to be one that does agree with boycotting to send a signal.

Disabled Veterans have no union to turn for support, the government controls everything. For 11 years the governments have been successful in the tactics they use, I say 11 years because it's been 11 years since the enacting of the New Veterans Charter. This will continue to be the case moving forward unless attitudes and unity of the Veteran community change. We need to change tactics, this is clear. Confronting the Prime Minister or the Minister of Veterans Affairs in a debate about the merits of our file, is simply going to get us nowhere. They can handle that without any problem, what they can't handle, and will certainly act on is public pressure. The only way to gain public pressure is to continue with writing articles about the failed government actions on our file, along with the articles needs more public protest. We need to focus more on public protest, the protest needs to have meaning and understanding to achieve objectives. Veterans and Veteran groups need to start focusing on the bureaucrats, the public needs to understand what exactly we mean by bureaucrats, they need to see and hear about the cruel tactics used by the bureaucrats on the Veterans file, and they also need to see and hear why the PM, and the MVA allow this to happen. This would be a tactic that will gain attention from both the public, and the government, I can guarantee it. Be it in the form of boycotting events, or just public protest from coast to coast, along with the continued writing of articles will get attention. The old ways of confronting the PM and the Minister are over, they solve and gain absolutely nothing, they will continue to hold their ground and the status quo of disabled Veterans continuing to get screwed over will certainly continue. If someone has an alternative to this, please share as I'd love to hear it.

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Post by atarijedi on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 18:36

Many may not agree, as it would be politicizing something that isn't political, but I think the Vets participating, on behalf of Canada, should sit their events out. To boycott.

And when asked why, state they refuse to represent a public and government who refuses to support them when they are injured and released, who argues in court they have no obligation to offer help and support.

This is a government who relies on positive media image. They would lose their minds if this happened. The world spotlight displaying their dirty laundry. I think things would start working much faster for Vets if one brave soul had the cojones to do this for the rest of us.

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Post by Guest on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 16:25

Vets wait on pensions as Invictus starts

Sept 22, 2017

OTTAWA Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will join hundreds of disabled veterans from across Canada and more than a dozen other countries in Toronto on Saturday to help kick off this year's edition of the Invictus Games.


Yet even as those veterans prepare for a week of intense athletic competition, many others are anxiously waiting for Trudeau to make good on a major promise to them: reinstating lifelong disability pensions.

The Invictus Games were started by Prince Harry in 2014 and involve wounded or sick military personnel or veterans from different countries competing in a variety of sporting events.

During a preview event with British Prime Minister Theresa May in Ottawa earlier this week, Trudeau spoke of the importance of the Games and supporting Canada's "wounded warriors."

The Games, Trudeau said following a demonstration by Canada's wheelchair basketball team, are a way "to remember, to respect and to celebrate everyday folks who have served with everything they have."

But some disabled veterans say Trudeau's government has not lived up to such ideals, particularly when it comes to a
still-unfulfilled election promise to bring back disability pensions.

The Liberals were the only party in the election to promise to re-introduce the pensions, which were replaced by a lump-sum payment, career training and targeted income-replacement programs in 2006.

Many veterans have since grown frustrated as the government has dragged its feet on the issue; the most recent commitment in March was that it would provide more details by the end of the year.


Veterans Affairs Minister Seamus O'Regan told The Canadian Press that remains the case, but he otherwise wouldn't provide any further insight into the government's thinking.

A quick look at the comments on O'Regan's Facebook page since he took over the veterans' file last month gives a sense of how important
the promise to bring back disability pensions is to many injured ex-soldiers.

The fear for many is that rather than bring back the old pensions, as was promised, the government will simply offer to dole out the lump sum over a veterans' lifetime.

The lump-sum varies depending on the extent of injury, with the maximum amount being $360,000 for a veteran who is totally disabled, which works out to $1,000 a month if spread over 30 years.

"If it was going to be a good thing, they probably would have announced it already," Aaron Bedard said of the delay in getting details of the promised pension.

Bedard is one of six disabled Afghan veterans who have filed a class-action lawsuit against the government alleging veterans under the new system get less support than those who received pensions.

The five-year-old case appeared on the verge of being settled by the previous Conservative government, but the Liberals have continued to fight it in British Columbia Superior Court.

While he didn't want to take away from the importance of the Games to many veterans, Bedard worried the Liberals would use them to suggest the government is completely behind Canada's injured ex-soldiers.

Trudeau "will get all these wonderful photo opportunities and selfie opportunities through Invictus," Bedard said. "But the pension was his key promise, and they're kicking it down the road as far as they can."

Retired master corporal David Desjardins was medically released from the military in 2010 because of a hip injury and will be on the wheelchair basketball team at the games.

He said having politicians involved in the Games helps draw attention to the event, which he is proud to participate in.

But it's also important not to lose sight of the issues affecting Canada's veterans.

"We all understand that there is a political game going on and the politicians are going to come out for their pictures. That's life. That's the way it goes," Desjardins said.

"But there needs to be a separation between the Invictus Games and veterans' affairs. There's a lot of work that has been done. There's still a lot of work that needs to be done."


By Lee Berthiaume, The Canadian Press

https://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/7570963-vets-wait-on-pensions-as-invictus-starts/

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