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Post by SITREP on Tue 10 Jul 2012, 17:46

I spoke with a person at VAC's call centre yesterday about vets receiving earnings loss benefits and a disability pension payment from VAC. The gentleman had no idea when we would see and end to the clawback. I then spoke to my area councillor about the issue, same thing, they have no idea when the clawback will cease, but it will I was assured soon. And all retroactive monies will be paid.

Does anyone else have any info or anything different to say on the issue?

My heartfelt thanks to Dennis Manuge. I really appreciate everything you have done for veterans.

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Post by bigrex on Wed 11 Jul 2012, 00:20

I've been told that changing the policy being used by VAC has to be voted upon in the HoC, but i personally don't think that is required. If it did require a vote, then Blaneys announcement would have said they would introduce a motion to cease the clawback, not that it would be done, to indicate that it has to go through the political process. The way I'm looking at it, we'll be lucky to see any money before Winter.
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Post by SITREP on Wed 11 Jul 2012, 06:50

Hi Rex, I'm hoping that things move along quickly for us as well. I'm of the opinion that any changes made to SISIP and ELB should be concurrent and mirror each other. But, I don't think this will be the case. And I agree with you, if there was a motion needed in the HoC to end the ELB clawback Blaney would have announced this. I think its just a matter of VAC's bureaucracy needs to play catch up.

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Post by Teentitan on Sat 21 Jul 2012, 11:34

I have been informed that information on ELB, WVA, CFIS will be released near the end of August. The Minister wants to be prepared for when the House resumes in September to go forward with changes to the above policies.
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Post by SITREP on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 15:10

I got a call today from my area councillor. I was informed that any changes made to VAC's administration of ELB, WVA or CFIS won't take effect until it goes through the motions within parliament. Changes will probably take effect early 2013. No decision has been made about retroactive payments with interest etc. But they are forthcoming.

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Post by Guest on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 15:34

i sure hope sisip ltd doesnt take that long to work out. You guys desearve retro for sure

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Post by Guest on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 16:10

Minister of Veterans Affa1rs

Ministre
des Anciens Combattants

Ottawa. Canada K1A OP4
Mr. Dennis Manuge
792 West Petpeswick Road Musquodoboit Harbour, Nova Scotia BOJ 2LO


Dear Mr. Manuge:&'fL-1. \
JUL 2 4 2012
Thank you for your correspondence regarding the recent Federal Court ruling in the case of Manuge
v. Canada.

On May 29, 2012, the Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister ofNational Defence, and I announced that
our Government will not appeal the Federal Court's decision regarding the offset of disability
benefits under the Pension Act from the Service Income Security Insurance Plan (SISIP).


In addition, we announced that our Government is taking immediate action to harmonize benefits at
Veterans Affairs Canada to reflect the planned changes to STSIP. Work has already begun to make
the necessary legislative amendments so that disability pension benefits will not be deducted
from the Earnings Loss Benefit, the Canadian Forces Income Support Benefit and the War Veterans
Allowance. Veterans Affairs Canada is also revising the information on its Web site (wwv
.veterans.gc.ca) to ensure that it reflects this recent announcement.


I believe this is a very positive change for Canadian Forces members and will help ensure that
they receive all the benefits and services to which they are entitled and so richly deserve. Our
Government will continue to stand up for our Veterans in the same way that they have stood up for
our great country.


Sincerely,
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Steven Blaney, P.C.,
Canad

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Post by Guest on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 16:13

Ron i can send you a copy of this to post on the news page if you think it is worth it. It does have to be legislated, the change to the ELB clawback, sucks, but that is the way the new charter works, same as when they had to pass the raise to $40 K per year minimum for veterans on ELB. Had to be written, passed, and then regulations dolled out to VAC staff to implement.

Blaney knows he will start taking heat as soon as they are back in Ottawa in September, so as Ron said, he is going to be having to tell us what's going on or how long, if he will do that.

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Post by Teentitan on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 17:42

Thanks for the offer D but like I posted back in July there will be movement on the info. around the end of this month.

Blaney wants the memo to cabinet ready for when the House resumes in Sept and I have been told that it is 99.99% sure it will be retro to 1 May like the SISIP lawsuit.
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Post by SITREP on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 19:02

How far back are they going to pay retroactive payments to those that have been receiving ELB? Please, someone tell me as far back as the establishment of ELB. This is the question I cannot get answered, from any source.

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Post by Teentitan on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 19:55

I was told May 2012 but like I said info will be coming out at the end of August. I will try to get some details about retroactivity for the ELB. I agree if it goes back to 2006 (date of the New Veteran Charter) it would be very good for those on ELB.

So sorry SITREP you are going to have to wait a few more weeks.
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Post by bigrex on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 23:20

Unfortunately, this government doesn't like retro-activity, so I fear the changes to ELB will only go back as far as the 1st of July, if they go back at all. Most everything else they have done has been on a go forward basis from the date they make the changes. Perfect example was the 40K minimum wages for those on ELB. As far as I know, they didn't go back and pay any extra money owed to those on ELB for the several months between the first announcement and when the changes were actually adopted.
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Post by SITREP on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 06:14

I've been on ELB for 3 years now and have had my VAC disability pension clawed back the entire time. I want that money back. I gotta say I'm gettin pissed off. I start college in September and had to move to an entirley new city, where I don't know a soul and my rent has doubled from my last apartment. I need the clawback to end and I need my retroactive money paid back for the three years plus. They owe me about $17,000 and counting before taxes and other horseshit. I know I'm not the only one in this position, they can't possibly stick it up all our asses, can they?

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Post by Guest on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 07:41

i agree sitrep with your comment on getting this done ,finished ,history, money in the bank!!! we need the 2000 or so reading these to take the 2 minutes time to sighn up log in and state their stories like you...we know the ones holding these payments back are reading this.....
me i want this money in my bank yesterday so i can share some of it to my brother who has helped me with my demons and struggles for the last 10 years.... he knows i appreciate but buying him new set of golf clubs and giving him a few bucks will make me feel better because he sacrificed to me words is just not enough... JUST LIKE THE WORDS WE GET FROM GOVERMENT its not enough put the money in my bank and show me

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Post by SITREP on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 07:49

I hear ya mfors. The joke is over, the gov needs to get a move on. I'm tired of this whole issue hanging around making a nuisance of itself. If we owed the gov that money they would just take it like they did before with the clawback. The problem is there is no accountability with the government. Just people that make decisions and try to use one formula to solve the many complex issues vets and civilians have. I find it hilarious that these people would think that just because one program or policy works for one person they automatically think it will work for all.

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